Skip to content
Jocko Podcast artwork

Jocko Podcast

Jocko DEFCOR Network·Hosted by Jocko Willink and Echo Charles·879 episodes

BusinessManagementHistoryLongform interviewsMilitary leadershipDiscipline-focusedCombat storiesShort advice segmentsTwice weekly

Retired Navy SEAL, Jocko Willink and Director, Echo Charles discuss discipline and leadership in business, war, relationships and everyday life.

Why listen

Jocko Podcast turns military history, combat experience, leadership failures, and personal struggle into blunt, practical lessons for daily life. Retired Navy SEAL Jocko Willink and Echo Charles move between longform guest interviews, historical breakdowns, and short advice segments, so listeners get both battlefield stories and direct guidance on discipline, responsibility, family, work, and resilience. It is a strong fit for people who like intense, no-frills conversations about leadership, service, and getting harder things done.

Series(1)

Episodes

2 hr 10 min
Jul 22, 2026Episode 550
The Company Commander's Playbook for Leadership

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesUsing the Marine Corps Company Commander's Handbook as a guide, Jocko and Echo discuss what every leader should know before taking over a team: setting expectations, establishing a command philosophy, earning trust, leading through influence, and creating a culture where people thrive.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

10 min
Jul 20, 2026
Jocko Underground: Break The Cycle - Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.

>Join Jocko Underground Full Episodes Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.Should you get in shape before starting JiuJitsu?What to do when your ex is publicly smearing your reputation.How to get two groups to work together who don't like each other.How to handle people around you who don't seem to care about your emotions.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 28 min
Jul 15, 2026Episode 549
Everyone is Judging—and Being Judged. Breaking Down Self-Awareness, Humility, and Respect

>Join Jocko Underground Full Episodes Everyone is judging—and being judged. Breaking down how self-awareness, humility, and respect determine your effectiveness as a leader, why perception matters, and how ego quietly destroys influenceSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

10 min
Jul 13, 2026
Jocko Underground: Is It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media?

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesIs It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media? How to prepare for a baby on the way. Getting the most out of learning Jiu Jitsu moves as a beginner. How to motivate a complacent person. Chasing a risky dream when you have a stable job. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 30 min
Jul 8, 2026Episode 548
The Importance of Morale and How to Develop It.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesThe military review US Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, again, November 1960Drawing from rarely discussed military journals written during the Cold War, Jocko and Echo explore the timeless principles behind morale, trust, courage, and why some leaders inspire extraordinary effort while others don't.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

14 min
Jul 6, 2026
Jocko Underground: What to do When Life Seems To Be Unsatisfying.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesWhat to do When Life Seems To Be Unsatisfying.How to excel when you get promoted quickly.Are you living life by any code?Are you contemplating law enforcement?The best way to get over a bad day on the mats and in life.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

2 hr 22 min
Jul 1, 2026Episode 547
How to Master Uncertainty. With (Ret) SEAL Commander, Rich Diviney

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesRetired Navy SEAL officer Rich Diviney returns to break down why fear isn't the enemy—uncertainty is. From combat and BUD/S to business and everyday life, Rich explains practical methods for staying composed under pressure, overcoming anxiety, and performing when the stakes are highest.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

9 min
Jun 29, 2026
Jocko Underground: Getting Over Overwhelming Sadness and Guilt from Tragedy.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesGetting over overwhelming guilt from tragedy. How should civilians respectfully ask veterans about their combat experiences without minimizing their sacrifices or making them uncomfortable?As a new Navy chaplain, how can I best earn the trust of sailors and Marines while helping them through life's toughest challenges?Should I transfer to another office that's better for my family even if it means leaving behind a mentor and a promising career path?How should I handle living near a convicted child predator while protecting my family without compromising my Christian values?Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 14 min
Jun 24, 2026Episode 546
The Myth of Being in Control: Marine Corps Doctrine on Command and Control

>Join Jocko Underground Full Episodes Why the best leaders stop trying to control everything. Jocko and Cory break down Marine Corps doctrine on command and control, explaining why decentralized leadership, trust, feedback, and initiative outperform micromanagement in business, combat, and life.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

7 min
Jun 22, 2026
Jocko Underground: Is It Reasonable to Relax Your Situational Awareness Sometimes?

>Join Jocko Underground Full Episodes1. Sleep or Stay Alert?Question: As a frequent traveler, how do you balance situational awareness with the need to sleep while traveling?2. Is It Time to Leave Law Enforcement?Question: With police officers increasingly being prosecuted after use-of-force incidents, when should an officer consider changing careers?3. Missing the Team I BuiltQuestion: After leaving a leadership role I built from the ground up for a larger company, why do I feel less fulfilled and how do I regain my motivation?4. Dream or Loyalty?Question: Should I pursue my lifelong dream of becoming a Marine officer or stay loyal to the wildland firefighting crew that invested in me?5. Push Through or Let Him Quit?Question: How do I help my troubled younger brother build confidence and discipline when he wants to quit boxing like he quit other activities?Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

2 hr 25 min
Jun 17, 2026Episode 545
The Journey Through Pain, Purpose, and Resilience. With Mason Wright.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesMason Wright ("Buff Runner") went from childhood trauma, loss, and depression to completing a 1,000-mile run around a high school track. In this conversation, he shares how sports saved him, how he survived some of the darkest moments of his life, and why suffering can become a tool for growth. A powerful discussion on resilience, discipline, and refusing to quit.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 36 min
Jun 10, 2026Episode 544
How Good Men Lose Their Moral Compass

>Join Jocko Underground: Full EpisodesDrawing from hard lessons learned during wartime, Jocko and Echo explore the psychological traps that cause individuals and organizations to drift from their values. A deep discussion on ethics, responsibility, leadership, and the warning signs that trouble is ahead.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 36 min
Jun 3, 2026Episode 543
Don't Wait to Get Punched in the Face. The Best Way to Adapt And Learn.

>Join Jocko Underground Full Episodes The world keeps changing. Your competition is learning. Are you? Looking into the power of adaptation, effective teaching, uncertainty, and the mindset required to keep growing when everyone else is standing still. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

15 min
Jun 1, 2026
Jocko Underground: Losing My Faith in Humanity and The World.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesLosing My Faith in Humanity and The World.  Could you take a dangerous submission to the limit if you had to? Taking a promotion and more money but stress on the family. Should you move out of your town because of social political reasons? Can't seem to get into the shape I want to be in. Feeling a bit useless after service.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

2 hr 58 min
May 27, 2026Episode 542
Stronghold: War, Rescue, and Resistance. With Ephraim Mattos

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesEphraim Mattos explains how Stronghold Rescue & Relief trains local people to save lives in one of the world’s deadliest ongoing conflicts.Stronghold Rescue | https://strongholdrescue.org/The Overwatch | https://www.theoverwatch.co/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

13 min
May 25, 2026
Jocko Underground: When Your Disciplined Life Has Left You Lonely w/ No Social Connections

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesWhen your disciplined lifestyle has left you lonely and lacking social connections. Meeting The Standard To Be Prepared For Service And Life. What to do: I committed my life to a career I don't like. Establishing boundaries with parents and in-laws. Moving to up to the "Political" level in your job--Things to be aware of. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

2 hr 1 min
May 20, 2026Episode 541
Skills, Struggle, and Responsibility. With Jimmy May.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesJimmy May returns to discuss life after the military, helping veterans transition, building stronger families, and teaching the next generation resilience and responsibility.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

10 min
May 18, 2026
Jocko Underground: The Dangers and Protocol of Carrying A Gun in An Altercation.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesThe Dangers and Protocol of Carrying A Gun in An Altercation.When there's a problematic co-worker that is in good with the boss.How Ecclesiastes wisdom informs the philosophy of Extreme Ownership.How to teach and be a role model to modern young people.What path to pursue in life, and why.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

3 hr 28 min
May 13, 2026Episode 540
Saved By The Corps. From A Path of Destruction, to Success. With Ben Ingram.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesBen Ingram was headed toward prison or worse. Drugs, street fights, and survival mode defined his youth—until one decision changed everything: joining the Marines. Warriors In Need Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

12 min
May 11, 2026
Jocko Underground: How To Deal With Public Transgressions Against You from Someone.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesHow To Deal With Public Transgressions Against You from Someone. Teaching the new generation when the odds are stacked against them. Dealing with jealousy, grief, and loss... all at the same time. How do we feel about crying in Jiu Jitsu? Dealing with resentment that can happen in a blended family. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

2 hr 5 min
May 6, 2026Episode 539
Elevate From The Gray Slop In Your Head.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesBreaking down the battle between the limbic system and the prefrontal cortex — emotion versus reason. Why people panic, escalate conflict, make terrible decisions, and how to detach from the “gray slop” in your head.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

13 min
May 4, 2026
Jocko Underground: Struggling with Measuring Up to Your Fiance's Ex.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesInsecurity with comparing yourself to her ex. Insecure and sensitive boss. What to do when you feel stuck in your career. What to do when your kid is scared to take Jiu Jitsu class. What to do when you're struggling to find purpose in life.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 47 min
Apr 29, 2026Episode 538
The Legendary Speech on How Leaders Should Lead. Major C.A. Bach Back, 1917.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesBreaking down Major C.A. Bach’s legendary 1917 leadership speech and separates timeless leadership truths from outdated doctrine. They cover earning respect instead of demanding it, why confidence comes from preparation, when leaders should apologize, how to avoid becoming a power-tripping boss, and why the best leaders quietly sacrifice for their teams.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

10 min
Apr 27, 2026
Jocko Underground: Would Jocko Do An MMA Fight? | Career Opportunity VS Family Needs

>Get Jocko Underground Full EpisodesWould Jocko Do An MMA fight? When you should and shouldn't get a dog. Getting a hold of a haphazard schedule and staying on the path. What to do if you think you have a good leader, but a bad team. Career opportunity VS family needs.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 24 min
Apr 22, 2026Episode 537
We See What's Happening But Miss What's Going On.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesWe see the movement, the noise, and the surface-level events—but miss the forces shaping the bigger picture. This episode breaks down how to see what’s really going on. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

7 min
Apr 20, 2026
Jocko Underground: When To Walk Away From Your Significant Other. And Don't Look Back.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesWhen To Walk Away From Your Significant Other.When your kid seems to be losing their drive to succeed. When you feel like you are not up to the standard at your job. Dealing with the conflict of how your wife deals with emotions. Finishing school might not be the right move. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

3 hr 44 min
Apr 15, 2026Episode 536
Ramadi: Sacrifice, Brotherhood, and The Return. w/ William "Spanky" Gibson

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesA Marine’s journey through Ramadi, the realities of combat, and the strength required to return after devastating injury. A conversation about duty, brotherhood, and enduring hardship.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

11 min
Apr 13, 2026
Jocko Underground: Sometimes We See People Treating Kids Horribly.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesSeeing other's mistreat kids is bothersome. When should you move out of the house?Dealing with a traumatic experience on the job. Dealing with setbacks when your physicality is part of your identity. The basic tenets to live by.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

3 hr 4 min
Apr 8, 2026Episode 535
Keeping Things Humorous Can Keep You Humble. With Kingsley A. Pinderhughes III aka KingPix Media.

>Join Jocko UndergroundKingsley Pinderhughes III not only teaches how humility can keep you humble, but also how to PUNCH OUT AND GO TO WORK. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

9 min
Apr 6, 2026
Jocko Underground: Is Kids' Screen Time Stunting Their Development?

>Join Jocko Underground Kids and screen time. Tips for managing your home. Should you always stick to your life's plan and goals? 90% of Fights go to the ground... is this true? Conundrums with dating a co-worker. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

3 hr 24 min
Apr 1, 2026Episode 534
Soldiers, SEALs, and Ramadi. Leading In The Most Challenging Combat Environment. With Company Commander, Jason Pelletier

>Join Jocko UndergroundA U.S. Army infantry officer forged by a brutal childhood and hardened in the Battle of Ramadi, Jason Pelletier shares how his unit fought, adapted, and passed on hard-earned lessons that helped keep SEALs and soldiers alive in one of Iraq’s most violent cities.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

10 min
Mar 30, 2026
Jocko Underground: Should Dogs Be Allowed On The Jiu Jitsu Mats? The Debate.

>Join Jocko Underground Full EpisodesShould dogs be allowed on the mats?Should you stick it out for 2 more years in a difficult job to get good retirement benefits?Dealing with a massive ego hungry for recognition.How to calm your brain of guilt and regret for the outcome of your past actions?What to do when your son falls of the disciplined path and puts his future at risk.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 41 min
Mar 25, 2026Episode 533
Vietnam '68-War, Life, Leadership, and Loss w Marine NCO Jack W. Jaunal

>Join Jocko UndergroundA raw look at war through Vietnam 68: Jax’s Journal by Jack W. Jaunal. Learn to write things down before they’re gone, own your mistakes before they grow, and understand the true weight leaders carry in life and death.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

15 min
Mar 23, 2026
Jocko Underground: Make It All Happen On Your Own Steam - No Support, Home Gym, Your Future

>Join Jocko UndergroundHome Gym, Easy. Jiu Jitsu Training schedule on limited time. Want to join, but family might not approve. My parents worry about my joining. Good job and salary VS my desire to serve.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 39 min
Mar 18, 2026Episode 532
Economic Warfare. The Power of Business In America. Sam Rogers, Joe Cruz, Steve Simar.

>Join Jocko UndergroundThree men, Sam, Joe, and Steve, from different backgrounds come together to build a company from scratch—through risk, setbacks, and relentless execution. This episode breaks down what it really takes to start and grow a business, the power of small business in America, and the mindset required to win.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

13 min
Mar 16, 2026
Jocko Underground: How To Develop The "I Don't Quit" Mind Set.

>Join Jocko UndergroundHow to develop the "I don't quit" mind set. Great job with lots of money, but no passion. How to deal with your spouse complaining about everything and not fixing it. How to balance staying on the Path and Having a Life. Understanding suicide. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

3 hr 35 min
Mar 11, 2026Episode 531
Technology is Advancing and You Can't Stop It. Blackbox A.I. Robert and Richard Rizk.

>Join Jocko Underground Blackbox unifies every major AI agent into one powerful platform. One subscription. One workflow. Unlimited possibilities.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

9 min
Mar 9, 2026
Jocko Underground: What Would You Do If Someone Steals From You?

>Join Jocko UndergroundHow to prepare for a future to be proud of.How to deal with a pathological liar.How to bounce back from failure.How to get back on the Path after you fell off.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

3 hr 44 min
Mar 4, 2026Episode 530
The 8 Life Lessons to Keep Your Head Above Water. With Andy Stumpf

>Join Jocko UndergroundThroughout his 17-year career, Andy executed hundreds of combat operations throughout the world in support of the Global War on Terror. He was medically retired in June of 2013. His awards and decorations include 5 Bronze Star Medals (Four with Valor), the Purple Heart, the Joint Service Commendation Medal, The Navy and Marine Corp Commendation Medal with Valor, Three Navy and Marine Corp Achievement Medals, Two Combat Action Ribbons, and the presidential Unit Citation.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

11 min
Mar 2, 2026
Jocko Underground: The Ups and Downs If You Won The Lottery

>Join Jocko UndergroundThe Ups and Downs If You Won The Lottery. What to do against the evil in the world today. How to support your partner in the way that they need. What to do if your daughter develops an eating disorder. How to lead people who have no responsibility to you.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

3 hr 53 min
Feb 25, 2026Episode 529
Firebase Kate Was Under Siege, Surrounded, Outgunned. With Capt. Bill "Hawk" Albracht

>Join Jocko UndergroundAbandoned in Hell: The Fight for Vietnam's Firebase Kate: When Firebase Kate was surrounded by a determined enemy force, there were no guarantees of relief and no easy way out. Cut off, outnumbered, and under constant attack, the men on the hill had one mission: hold the line and survive. This is the story of fear, faith, leadership under fire, and the breakout that got them off the hill alive.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

12 min
Feb 23, 2026
Jocko Underground: Making The Mental Shift Upward

>Join Jocko Underground How to make the mental shift upward.How to overcome feelings of inferiority after failure.More money VS More Family time.How to deal with Long-Talkers who waste time with words.Lost motivation after success. How bad do you want it?Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 49 min
Feb 18, 2026Episode 528
Real Rank and Real Authority is Earned.

>Join Jocko UndergroundBreaking down a 1965 U.S. Army manual, Basic Problems in Small Unit Leadership, and show how its lessons still apply today. They explore the fundamentals of leadership: building trust, developing confidence, balancing mission and people, and creating psychological “steel” within a team.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

15 min
Feb 16, 2026
Jocko Underground: How to Get Your Wife on The Path | Wife Won't Let Me Be The Man of The House

>Join Jocko UndergroundHow to get your wife on The Path. How to take the role of The Man Of The House / traditional man. What to do when you're calling is to serve. How to utilize confidence without letting pride get in the way. Bounce back better than ever after a break up.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

2 hr 30 min
Feb 11, 2026Episode 527
From Ego to Execution, and The Path to Command. With Nate Fry

>Join Jocko UndergroundNathan Fry shares the hard lessons that shaped his journey from a frustrated young officer to a battalion commander in the Vermont National Guard. Through failures, second chances, elite mountain training, and combat leadership, he explains why mentorship matters, why ego gets leaders in trouble, and why preparing people — not just equipment — is what ultimately wins wars.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

21 min
Feb 9, 2026
Jocko Underground: How Can Jocko Not Step Up and Talk About America's Short-Comings?

>Join Jocko UndergroundHow Can Jocko Not Step Up and Talk About ICE and Their Actions? Dealing with favoritism in the workplace. Is getting a dog just added stress? Is it a good idea to bring a child into this world we live in today? How to find the "good" in illness.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 12 min
Feb 4, 2026Episode 526
The 18 Things That Make You A Bad Soldier and a Bad Leader, In Battle and in Life.

>Join Jocko UndergroundBreaking down a 1951 U.S. Army research report based on interviews with 57 infantrymen fighting in Korean War. The episode pulls blunt, field-tested answers on what makes a good vs. poor combat man and leader—things like combat know-how, staying on task under pressure, remaining calm, taking care of gear, putting the team first, and giving clear, fair leadership. They connect those traits to everyday life and work: master your job, take quick appropriate action, control emotions, avoid selfishness and excuses, and build trust by sharing risk and being consistent.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

9 min
Feb 2, 2026
Jocko Underground: What to do When You're At a Low Point In Life with No Options and Surrounded by Toxicity.

>Join Jocko UndergroundHow and when to teach your kids to lead. How to handle confrontations in public. Training advice for a hard goal. I'm at rock-bottom with nothing going for me. Being grateful for your position and job VS. Living up to your potential.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

1 hr 46 min
Jan 28, 2026Episode 525
Why Action Beats Analyzing. The Soldier and The Statesman.

>Join Jocko UndergroundBreakdown of Soldiers and Soldiering by Field Marshal Archibald Wavell. They discuss the tension between soldiers and politicians, the importance of initiative and decentralized command, and what truly defines good leadership in war and life. The conversation covers discipline, toughness, morale, training, communication, and why action beats hesitation. Throughout, they connect historical lessons—from Lincoln, Grant, Rommel, and others—to modern leadership, combat, business, and personal responsibility.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

15 min
Jan 26, 2026
Jocko Underground: A Message For You If You Think You Should Be More Than You Currently Are.

>Join Jocko UndergroundA Message For Your If You Think You Should Be More Than You Currently Are.Getting older, but you can still stay in the game and on the path.How to settle Disagreements with future inlaws about wedding details.When I'm off duty, I still feel like a scared kid. What to do.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content