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White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse

CBC·14 episodes

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FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. He was taking down these groups from within. And Scott was good at it — people confided in him their most audacious plans for mass violence and domestic terrorism.In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story...

Episodes

43 min
Nov 14, 2025
White Hot Hate Introduces | Allison after NXIVM from Uncover

You think you know the NXIVM story. The secretive self-help empire. The sex cult headlines. The downfall of its leader, Keith Raniere. But the most famous woman at the centre of the story has remained largely silent. Allison after NXIVM from Uncover tells the story of Allison Mack: former Smallville actress, high-ranking NXIVM member, and convicted felon. With exclusive access following her release from prison, this series traces her astonishing path from Smallville fame to NXIVM’s inner circle — and her effort to rebuild a life in the wreckage. Through raw interviews and revealing conversations with those who knew her before, during, and after NXIVM, this season dives deep into the gray zones of influence, accountability, and redemption. More episodes can be found here: https://link.mgln.ai/AANxWHH

35 min
Sep 15, 2025
White Hot Hate Introduces: Dirtbag Climber from Uncover

A murder victim with multiple identities. A criminal on the run from his past. Dirtbag Climber from Uncover is a five-part podcast series investigating the unsolved homicide of “Jesse James,” a “dirtbag” rock climber found dead in Squamish, British Columbia, Canada. Local reporter Steven Chua dives into the case, determined to find answers. Along the twisted way, he tracks a stranger-than-fiction story that criss-crosses North America, unveiling a stunning portrait of an enigmatic con artist — a troubling victim whose twisted life story foreshadowed the darkest digital undercurrents of our time. More episodes of Dirtbag Climber are available at: https://link.mgln.ai/dc-whh

39 min
Jun 17, 2025
Warlords, Espionage, and Disinformation | Introducing Hot Money: Agent of Chaos from Pushkin

In 2020, the Financial Times exposed a 2 billion euro fraud at Wirecard, a high-flying German fintech. Many thought that was the end of the story. But for reporter Sam Jones, it was just the beginning.This season on Hot Money: Agent of Chaos from Pushkin, Jones investigates Wirecard’s chief operating officer who vanished just as Wirecard collapsed. And turned out to also be a Russian spy. Here’s episode 1. Listen to Hot Money: Agent of Chaos wherever you get your podcasts.

46 min
Apr 29, 2025Episode 6
Get Behind Me, Satan

We return to Scott’s time with The Base, the neo-Nazi accelerationist group bent on sparking a race war. Taking down this violent cell of white supremacists takes everything he’s learned in his decades-long undercover career. And then… retirement. For someone who has spent his whole life pretending to be someone he’s not: who is Scott Payne?

35 min
Apr 22, 2025Episode 5
Klan Kologne

Scott re-enters the life of an undercover agent with a new assignment: infiltrate a chapter of the KKK. With white supremacist violence on the rise, he finds himself in the middle of a field in Alabama - about to join the Klan.

44 min
Apr 15, 2025Episode 4
Do Not Recommend

Scott is deep undercover in the Outlaws, becoming close friends with members of the dangerous biker gang. But you can only get so deep for so long. And now Scott is at risk of losing everything: his marriage, his body and his mind.

34 min
Apr 8, 2025Episode 3
Who’s A Rat Dot Com

Scott Payne is a big, intimidating, Harley-riding guy. He’s the perfect choice to infiltrate the Outlaws Motorcycle Club. For him, it’s a dream assignment - getting inside an international criminal organization whose arch-rival is the Hell's Angels. Then, things go bad. Really bad.

31 min
Apr 1, 2025Episode 2
You Got Anything for Rednecks?

How does a young, self-proclaimed redneck end up becoming one of the most storied undercover agents of our time? We trace Agent Payne’s path from a satan-worshiping southern high school student, all the way to becoming a “Hillbilly Donnie Brasco.”

30 min
Mar 25, 2025Episode 1
The Insider

After chatting online, it’s FBI undercover Special Agent Scott Payne's first in-person meeting with The Base. Alone. Now he just needs to convince the international neo-Nazi network that he's one of them.To hear all episodes of White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse right now, ad-free, subscribe to CBC True Crime Premium on Apple Podcasts.

3 min
Mar 18, 2025
Introducing White Hot Hate Season 2: Agent Pale Horse

Coming March 25, 2025. FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Hear all episodes early and ad-free by subscribing to CBC True Crime Premium.

37 min
Feb 13, 2024
White Hot Hate Introduces: Crime Story

Fraud. Abduction. Murder. Every week, Crime Story host and investigative journalist Kathleen Goldhar goes deep into a tale of true crime with the storyteller who knows it best. From the reporter who exposed Bill Cosby, to the writer who solved one of Australia’s most chilling cold cases — Crime Story guests include: Gilbert King (Bone Valley), Eric Benson (Project Unabomb), Carole Fisher (The Girlfriends), and many more. In this episode, Michelle Shephard joins Kathleen to discuss her new and intensely personal documentary called The Perfect Story. More episodes are available at: https://link.chtbl.com/-p9G_pHX

53 min
Feb 8, 2023
White Hot Hate Introduces: The Africas VS. America

In 1985, at the height of the Black Power era, police dropped a bomb in a Philadelphia neighborhood. Their target? A family of Black radicals known as ‘MOVE,’ who found themselves ensnared in a city — and nation’s — domestic war on Black Liberation. Over seven episodes, host Matthew Amha investigates the events that culminated in the MOVE bombing, and the long afterlife of a forgotten American tragedy. More episodes are available at: https://link.chtbl.com/-EgADpHn

36 min
Sep 5, 2022
White Hot Hate Introduces: Pressure Cooker

John and Amanda have lived on the fringes their whole lives. They’re on welfare, living with John’s grandma, and struggling with addiction to opioids and Dungeons and Dragons. They’ve followed crooked paths to this point. John played in heavy metal bands and dabbled with Satanism. Amanda left home and discovered heroin before her 18th birthday. The couple converts to Islam in an attempt to turn their lives around. But things take a wild turn when a mysterious figure enters their lives and draws them into a web of conspiracy, deception and terror. More episodes are available at smarturl.it/pressurecookercbc

45 min
Jun 7, 2022
White Hot Hate Introduces: The Village Season Three - The Montreal Murders

In the early 1990s, as AIDS tightens its grip on major cities around the world, the relative safety of Montreal’s nightlife becomes a magnet for gay men. But when they start turning up dead in hotel rooms, beaten lifeless in city parks, and violently murdered in their own homes, the queer community has more to fear than the disease. While the city’s police force dithers over the presence of a serial killer, a group of queer activists starts making connections, and rises up to start a movement that would end up changing thousands of lives. Hosted by Francis Plourde. More episodes are available at smarturl.it/thevillagecbc

33 min
May 16, 2022
White Hot Hate Introduces: Someone Knows Something: The Abortion Wars

Host David Ridgen joins victims' family members as they investigate cold cases, tracking down leads, speaking to suspects and searching for answers. In Season 7 of Someone Knows Something, Ridgen and investigative journalist Amanda Robb dig into the 1998 murder of her uncle, a New York doctor killed for performing abortions. They uncover a network of anti-abortion movements linked to violence in North America and Europe. Twenty years later, with debates about reproductive rights heating up in the U.S., could more violence be on the horizon? More episodes are available at hyperurl.co/sks

29 min
Jan 25, 2022
White Hot Hate Introduces: Verified

Verified: The Next Threat takes the listener on a journey from Russia, to Europe to the United States - to reveal how extremists are learning from each other and recruiting every day for their global fight for white power. The first episode uncovers an international network of global extremists who are recruiting for a new transnational holy war and white power. Built on exclusive reporting and interviews by the Verified team, this immersive, deeply reported six episode podcast series unpacks transnational racially motivated violent extremism. For more visit https://www.verifiedpod.com/

37 min
Dec 7, 2021
White Hot Hate Introduces: Boys Like Me

Why are lonely, young men a growing threat to our safety? In 2018, a Toronto man drove a van down a busy sidewalk, killing 11 people and injuring many more. He was linked to the "incel" movement, a dark online world fueled by violent misogyny, extreme isolation and perceived rejection. In the wake of the attack, Evan Mead discovers a disturbing connection to the perpetrator. They were former high school classmates; both outcasts, existing together on the fringes of social acceptance. How did two young men who started in similar circumstances, end up on such drastically different paths? More episodes are available at: smarturl.it/boyslikeme

39 min
Nov 24, 2021Episode 6
Season 1, Episode 6: “Give them what they deserve”

Patrik Mathews could be facing up to 25 years in prison for U.S. firearm offences. His and others’ arrests may have destroyed the appeal of accelerationist groups like The Base — but where is the movement heading now? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

48 min
Nov 16, 2021Episode 5
Season 1, Episode 5: The ‘Network Administrator’

We speak with ‘Roman Wolf,’ the founder of The Base. Who is he really? Why did he start a white supremacist network? And with half a dozen members behind bars, what comes next? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

28 min
Nov 9, 2021Episode 4
Season 1, Episode 4: “It only takes a few”

Some members of The Base are planning deadly attacks that they hope will spark a race war. Will they be stopped, before it's too late? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

35 min
Nov 2, 2021Episode 3
Season 1, Episode 3: Hate Camps

Outed as a member of The Base, Patrik Mathews disappears. His abandoned truck is discovered near the Canada-U.S. border. He could be heading to a training camp. But what exactly are they training for? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

36 min
Oct 26, 2021Episode 2
Season 1, Episode 2: “Best of Both Worlds”

A tipster reveals that Patrik — who talked about derailing trains and setting off explosives — was a member of the Army Reserve. Does the military have a problem with neo-Nazis in its ranks? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

36 min
Oct 26, 2021Episode 1
Season 1, Episode 1: “Save Your Race, Join The Base”

When recruitment posters for a white supremacist network start appearing around town, Winnipeg Free Press journalist Ryan Thorpe decides to go undercover and infiltrate the group. For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

3 min
Oct 21, 2021
Introducing: White Hot Hate

‘White Hot Hate’ follows the extraordinary case of a Canadian journalist who infiltrated an international neo-Nazi extremist network. Host Michelle Shephard explores the rise of white supremacist accelerationism: the ultra-violent ideology that drives believers to create chaos, in order to seize ultimate control.

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