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Trade Talks

Chad P. Bown·219 episodes

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Chad P. Bown (Peterson Institute for International Economics) hosts a podcast about the economics of international trade and policy. From trade wars to trade deals, this podcast covers trade developments with insights and economic analysis from one of the world's top trade geeks.

Why listen

Trade Talks is for listeners who want trade policy explained by someone who actually lives in the details. Host Chad P. Bown brings in economists, journalists, policymakers, and business owners to unpack tariffs, supply chains, trade wars, WTO disputes, and industrial policy without turning it into cable-news shouting. If you like serious current affairs with concrete examples and clear economic reasoning, this is a strong fit.

Series(1)

Episodes

32 min
May 26, 2026
216. How to Win a Trade War, with friends

In a trade podcast mashup, Bill Reinsch and Scott Miller (The Trade Guys) join Trade Talks to interview Soumaya and Chad about the Keynes & Bown new book, How to Win a Trade War (32:07).

27 min
May 19, 2026
215. How China's trade is holding back developing countries

Arvind Subramanian (PIIE) explains how poorer countries are being squeezed by China's failure to grow out of many industries important to their economic development (27:44).

45 min
May 10, 2026
214. Europe's trade war with China

Finbarr Bermingham (South China Morning Post) joins to explain how the European Union is using tariffs, cybersecurity, product bans, and industrial policy in its own trade war with China, as well as how China is not backing down (45:04).

35 min
May 4, 2026
213. Ups and downs at the Port of Los Angeles

Chad visits the Port of Los Angeles, the largest container port in North America, and speaks with its Executive Director, Gene Seroka, for an update on US trade with China, as well as the impact on the Port of the recent tariffs, the war in Iran, automation, and AI (35.54).

56 min
Apr 28, 2026
212. America's semiconductor policy and the AI race with China

Former CHIPS program chief economist Dan Kim (TechInsights) joins for a wide-ranging conversation about artificial intelligence and US semiconductors policy – including the CHIPS Act subsidies, tariffs, and export controls – as well as its impact on US-China technology competition (56:47).

34 min
Apr 19, 2026
211. How one small American manufacturer is dealing with Trump's tariffs

Sam Cooper, the owner of Klear Vu, a company that makes seat cushions in Massachusetts and imports fabric from China, joins for a candid explanation about the impact of the US tariffs in 2025 on the company's supply chain, pricing, and other decisions (34:19).

33 min
Apr 10, 2026
210. What is America's problem with the WTO?

Former US ambassador to the World Trade Organization (WTO) Maria Pagán joins for a wide-ranging conversation about US government concerns with the WTO, the Trump administration's actions so far, and the failures of the recent ministerial conference in Cameroon (33:00).

30 min
Apr 7, 2026
209. Will Trump's pharmaceutical tariffs lower prices and secure supply chains?

Thomas J. Bollyky (Council on Foreign Relations) joins to explain the problems facing the US pharmaceutical market, the Trump administration's new tariffs and pricing deal with the United Kingdom, and the impact on American drug prices as well as supply chain security (30:10).

22 min
Apr 1, 2026
208. It's been one year since Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs

Aime Williams (Financial Times) joins Chad Bown to help explain what has happened since President Trump's sweeping April 2, 2025 tariff announcement. They discuss the surprises in the US import and export data from 2025, trading partner retaliation, the deals, and what comes next after the Supreme Court's February 2026 decision  (22:01).

29 min
Apr 4, 2025Episode 207
207. What happened on Trump's tariff day

Soumaya Keynes (Financial Times) joins to cohost an emergency episode explaining President Trump's sweeping April 2 tariff announcement. Bown and Keynes turn to Douglas A. Irwin on history, Maurice Obstfeld on the US dollar, and Kathleen Claussen on law to clarify what we know about the tariff actions so far (29:14).

42 min
Mar 16, 2025Episode 206
206. Paul Krugman talks trade, industrial policy, and Trump

Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman (City University of New York) joins for a wide-ranging conversation on historical lessons as well as some new thinking about international trade, the "agglomeration economies" driving geographically concentrated production, industrial policy, as well as the policy environment under President Trump (42:12).

33 min
Mar 11, 2025Episode 205
205. Trump's Ukraine minerals deal and China

A potential US-Ukraine critical minerals agreement is only the latest effort to address security concerns over US sourcing of critical minerals from China. America's previous top diplomat for critical minerals, Geoff Pyatt (former Assistant Secretary of State, former US ambassador to Ukraine) joins to explain (33.47).

34 min
Mar 6, 2025Episode 204
204. Is Europe ready for Trump?

Europe had a rocky ride during President Trump's first term, but it was largely spared from significant tariffs. The world is different this time around. Former European Commission trade official Rupert Schlegelmilch joins to explain (34:32).

37 min
Feb 23, 2025Episode 203
203. What if Trump halts duty-free packages from China?

Shipments of small packages from China have skyrocketed, but the de minimis policy that excludes them from tariffs may end. Chris Casey (Congressional Research Service) joins to explore the history of the US de minimis policy and Amit Khandelwal (Yale University) shares economic research into the question of what happens if the policy ends (37:33).

32 min
Feb 14, 2025Episode 202
202. Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs are back

President Trump first imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum in 2018, but this time it's different. Ana Swanson (New York Times) joins to explain (32:23).

29 min
Feb 8, 2025
201. Trade Talks is back. And so is President Trump.

Tariffs from the new President call for an emergency relaunch of the longstanding trade podcast. Aime Williams (Financial Times) joins to explain what happened with Canada, Mexico, and China (29:50). Read more…

10 min
Jan 30, 2024
And that is all for Trade Talks

Goodbye for now, as old friend Soumaya Keynes joins Chad Bown to discuss why and what comes next.

46 min
Dec 19, 2023
200. Has the USMCA improved working conditions in Mexico?

The USMCA was supposed to prevent workers from being mistreated at Mexican factories. How is it working so far?

37 min
Dec 10, 2023
199. How trade economists busted corruption at the port

When customs officials in Madagascar cheated their country out of tax revenues, economists caught them. But the fight is not over yet.

33 min
Dec 3, 2023
198. Inside Washington's lobbying industry

What we know about the US lobbying industry and how it influences trade and other types of economic policy.

45 min
Nov 26, 2023
197. Moving workers across Europe

How the European Union's controversial "posting" policy impacted the movement of workers as well as local communities across the continent.

28 min
Nov 19, 2023
196. How multinationals avoid taxes through technology licensing

Companies can avoid taxes by moving profits from IP royalties offshore. What would happen if that changed?

24 min
Nov 12, 2023
195. How did Canadian workers adjust so well to US trade?

Canadian workers faced new competition after the sudden free trade agreement with the US in 1989. Why were they able to adjust so successfully?

41 min
Nov 5, 2023
194. Industrial policy detectives: China's subsidies for shipbuilding

A new way to measure China's subsidies for shipbuilding reveals how much they transformed the industry for the country and world.

42 min
Oct 29, 2023
193. Did multinationals enforce Bangladesh's new labor law?

Following the Rana Plaza factory collapse, foreign companies promised to enforce Bangladesh's new labor law. What happened next?

27 min
Oct 22, 2023
192. Will more farm trade cause more deforestation?

As trade with farm exporting countries expands, governments must also consider how to prevent deforestation.

33 min
Oct 15, 2023
191. Brazil's trade opening and its toll on workers and crime

How Brazil's trade liberalization of the 1990s led to unexpected and lasting impacts on workers and a temporary rise in violence.

32 min
Jul 30, 2023
190. Climate change, floods, and the future of auto supply chains

What consumers can expect from auto companies investing in supply chain resilience as weather disasters loom.

34 min
Jul 23, 2023
189. South Korea's controversial industrial policy

How South Korea's Heavy and Chemical Industry Drive policy of 1973-79 worked and may have contributed to its economic rise.

39 min
Jul 16, 2023
188. Did responsible sourcing by multinationals help workers in poor countries?

What happened to workers and others in Costa Rica when global companies imposed new responsible sourcing codes of conduct on their suppliers.

51 min
Jul 9, 2023
187. Industrial policy and the rise of Romania's Silicon Valley

How a 2001 income tax break for Romanian software programmers helped transform the country's information technology sector.

31 min
Jun 26, 2023
186. How US lead regulations hurt Mexican babies

Higher US lead standards in 2009 resulted in more production and pollution from Mexican plants. Nearby infants and kids suffered.

28 min
Jun 18, 2023
185. The historic collapse of Switzerland's watch industry

New quartz technology and competition from Japan devastated the dominant Swiss watch industry of the 1970s. What happened next?

46 min
May 7, 2023
184. The US-EU fights over electric vehicles and the Inflation Reduction Act

EVs headlined the transatlantic dispute over the Inflation Reduction Act. That feud may be over, but other conflicts remain.

24 min
Apr 30, 2023
183. How the United States cleaned up container ship pollution

In 2012, the EPA started regulating maritime emissions of air pollutants. The shipping industry's response offers lessons for other countries.

44 min
Apr 23, 2023
182. Is China's industrial policy working?

The "Made in China 2025" subsidies both provoked a trade war and inspired similar moves by the US and other economies. But have they worked?

45 min
Mar 21, 2023
181. US-China trade war fallout: This is what decoupling looks like

How do we reconcile "record-level" US-China imports and exports when tariffs remain on more than half of trade between the two economies?

1 hr 10 min
Mar 12, 2023
180. The WTO is in trouble. Econ 101 to the rescue?

How understanding the WTO's past can help foster its revival – including for policy challenges like climate and China's non-market economy.

35 min
Feb 26, 2023
179. Why Taiwan restricts high-tech investment into China

For decades, Taiwan has limited how and how much its tech firms like TSMC could invest in mainland China. Are there lessons for the United States?

53 min
Feb 19, 2023
178. Why sanctions to stop Russian gas pipelines backfired

US sanctions on European allies repeatedly failed to stop Russian gas pipelines, harmed transatlantic ties, and undermined US policy.

32 min
Feb 12, 2023
177. How the Rana Plaza factory collapse changed global supply chains

New research examines how NGOs, consumers, and major retailers responded to the outrage following the 2013 tragedy in Bangladesh.

47 min
Jan 29, 2023
176. The Cold War scandal over export controls

The leakage of submarine technology to the Soviet Union in the 1980s has lessons for the limits to and coordination of allies' export controls today.

54 min
Jan 22, 2023
175. The dreaded WTO ruling on Trump's national security tariffs

The WTO ruled against Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs, dragging the organization into thorny national security issues.

27 min
Dec 18, 2022
174. The incredible rise of Chinese fintech

New super apps and other internet-enabled technologies have transformed China's financial sector, with global implications, says Martin Chorzempa.

26 min
Dec 8, 2022Episode 173
Did Britain's slave trade help drive its industrial revolution?

New research reveals how Britain's economy benefited from the brutal transatlantic slave trade and its slave holdings.

39 min
Nov 21, 2022
172. Peru's "China shock": Surprising turns and the women left behind

A flood of imports from China had an unexpected impact on the Peruvian clothing industry while discouraging Peru's women workers.

37 min
Nov 15, 2022
171. What makes a supply chain resilient

New research examining India's pandemic lockdowns sheds light on which supply chains stuck together, which broke apart, and why.

59 min
Nov 2, 2022
170. National security, semiconductors, and the US move to cut off China

The history behind the sudden US ban on certain exports to China, and how the policy affects the global semiconductor supply chain.

31 min
Oct 25, 2022
169. Taiwan's risky trade opening and how it paid off

In the 1950s, Taiwan was the first poor economy to experiment with trade reform. How its success changed the course of history for others.

23 min
Oct 10, 2022
168. Did Trump's trade war make China more protectionist?

Why it matters that Chinese public opinion toward trade and technology may have changed in response to US policy.