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The Mockingcast

Mockingbird·Hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl·295 episodes

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The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at www.mbird.com. Audio production provided by TJ Hester. Video production by Chad Blevins.

Why listen

The Mockingcast is a smart, funny three-host conversation about Christian faith as it collides with ordinary anxieties, culture pieces, pop media, church life, and the strange little details of being human. RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon, and David Zahl move from Atlantic essays and New York Times pieces to grace, failure, mercy, and theological questions without making the show feel like a classroom. It is especially good for listeners who want Christian reflection that is literate, self-deprecating, emotionally honest, and allergic to religious self-importance.

Episodes

1 hr 3 min
May 26, 2026Episode 295
The Blessing of Being Forgotten

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk forced cheeriness, prediction addiction, satisficing breakthroughs, and the grammar of grace. Also, Sarah visits the mothership while Dave maximizes hot dogs. Click here to read about Starbucks notes in The Boston Globe. Click here to read Joshua Rothman's essay "Do We Think Too Much About the Future?" in The New Yorker.Click here to read "The Blessing of Being Forgotten" by John Pennylegion on Mbird.Click here to read about The Nobel-Prize Winning Psychologist Who Thought He Found the Secret to Happiness in The NY Times.Click here to read Trygve Johnson's substack on The Grammar of Grace. Click here to listen to the episode of The Daily about the resurgence of religion in the United States.

1 hr 15 min
May 4, 2026Episode 294
Who Do You Think You Are Miss Astorbutt?

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk casinofication, sketch comedy, main character energy, and self-transcendence. Also, RJ yearns to be too small to fail, while Sarah learns her son used to be a light bulb.Click here to listen to the recordings for our recent conference in New York CityClick here to register for the 20th Anniversary NYC Conference (4/15-17/2027)Click here to read Russell Moore's newsletter "Against the Casinofication of the Church"Click here to read the NY Times interview with Bob OdenkirkClick here to read Megan Garber's piece in the Atlantic about The New Age of Performance AnxietyClick here to read Tony Robinson's post on Mbird, "A Self Help Guru Has Second Thoughts"Click here to read McKay Coppins essay in the Atlantic about online gambling, "Sucker"

1 hr 12 min
Apr 20, 2026Episode 293
The Secret Vault of Thomas Kinkade

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk underachieving parents, hype aversion, and the impassability of God. Also, Dave reconsiders Iron Maiden while Sarah has a run-in at the farmer's market. Click here for more information about this week's Mockingbird Conference in New York City (4/23-25). Click here for more information about our Fall Conference in Minneapolis (10/2-3). Click here to read "Parents, Consider Underachieving" by Rachel Feintzeig in The NY Times.Click here to read about The People Who Shun Super Popular Pop Culture by Anna Holmes in The Atlantic.Click here to watch Nick Cave's interview with Unherd.Click here to read "Lessons from the Hidden Vault of Thomas Kinkade" by Michael Wright on Mbird. Click here to read Richard Beck's substack on The Good News of God's Impassability.

1 hr 12 min
Apr 7, 2026Episode 292
False Evidence Appearing Real

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk starting a band, the tyranny of metrics, meaning fatigue, and the second most honest day of the (church) year. Also, Dave uncovers an animated conspiracy while Sarah bumps into an alternate timeline.Click here for more information about the upcoming Mbird Conference in NYC (4/23-25), including RJ's pre-conference church renewal seminar. For inquiries about scholarships, email [email protected] here to read "Start a Band, Even If You're Terrible" by Hugo Lindgren.Click here to read (or listen to) Derek Thompson's interview with C. Thi Nguyen about How Metrics Make Us Miserable. Click here to read Ryan Burge's substack about The Big Questions.Click here to read "Every Day Is Holy Saturday" by M Elizabeth Lewis Hall, Kelly Kapic and Jason McMartin on Mbird.

1 hr 2 min
Mar 2, 2026Episode 391
Happiness Weighs an Extra Twenty Pounds

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk affective forecasting, fantasy literature, workplace mattering, and collapsed demands. Also, a punk rocker gets a miracle bus ticket, and the ice monster comes for our kids. Click here to register for the Spring Mbird Conference in NYC (4/23-25)Click here to listen to Sarah's sermon "I Like Your Dancing", delivered at RJ's church. Click here to read "Most of Us Are Bad at Predicting What Will Make Us Happy" by Ruston Dodd on The Athletic.Click here to read Francis Spufford's defense of fantasy in The Guardian.Click here to read The Up and Up's interview with Jennifer Breheny Wallace about Gen Z and Mattering. Click here to read about "The Three Quarter Life Crisis" by Rob Myallis on Mbird.Click here to read "What Remains When Nothing Can Be Done" by Kyle Wells on Mbird.

1 hr 8 min
Feb 10, 2026Episode 290
Sanctuary of the Pitiful Heart

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk face functions, last breaths, cringe churches, and Monkey Jesus. Also, Sarah runs into a teenage witch while RJ survives an iguanapocalypse. This episode is dedicated to the memory of Derek Sweatman. Click here to register for the upcoming NYC Mockingbird conference (4/23-25).Click here to read "Is the Backlash to Facial Conformity Finally Upon Us?" by Valerie Monroe in Allure.Click here to read "Ash Wednesday Asks Nothing" by Jacob Lupfer in Commonweal.Click here to read "A Church of Cringe" by Todd Brewer on Mbird.Click here to read the obituary for Cecilia Giménez in The Economist.

1 hr 7 min
Jan 26, 2026Episode 289
Throw Parties, Give Gifts, Tell Stories

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Lieutenant Dan season, holy inconvenience, millennial oversocialization, and playful faith. Also, Sarah buys a rebellious sweatshirt while RJ comes to terms with his inner delivery boy. Click here to watch the toddler yacht rock Dave and Sarah mention Click here to order a copy of the Beauty Issue of The Mockingbird Magazine Click here to register for the NYC Mbird Conference (4/23-25) Click here to read "Lieutenant Dan Season" by Matt Lindeman on Mbird Click here to read "The Ugly Side of the Truth" by Gretchen Ronnevik Click here to read "In 2026, We are Friction-Maxxing" by Kathryn Jezer-Morton in The Cut Click here to read "Oversocialization, the Shackles of the Millennial Generation" by Freddie deBoer Click here to read "Whatever Ails You, the Answer Is Dance" by Boris Fishman in The NY Times Click here to read "Blessed Are the Pickleball Players" by Dave in Christianity Today

1 hr 11 min
Dec 22, 2025Episode 288
A Dog Named Lucifer

Last episode of the year, in which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Knives Out, self-checkout lines, optional futures, and how not to hate Christmas. Also, Sarah gets a Zippo while heaven and earth meet at an unlikely funeral. Click here to read Dave's review of Knives Out: Wake Up Dead Man on Mbird Click here to read Valerie Trapp's piece in The Atlantic on "The One Line Americans (Weirdly) Choose to Wait In" Click here to "From Option to Obligation" by Paul Skallas in the Lindy Newsletter Click here to read Sarah's "No More Flaccid Christmas Stockings" on Mbird Click here to read David Clay's "How to Not Hate Christmas" on Mbird Click here to read "Faith's Long December" by Kyle Wells on Mbird Click here to watch the performance of "Fairytale of New York" at Shane MacGowan's funeral

1 hr 2 min
Dec 8, 2025Episode 287
All the Blessed Interruptions

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk advent calendars, perfectionist musicians, interrupting mothers, and the Batman effect. The gang also takes a field trip to an acute mental health ward across the pond. Click here to respond to the opening appeal. Click here to read Ellen Cushing's "Advent Calendars Are Totally Out of Control" in The Atlantic. Click here to read "The Quest for Perfection Is Stunting Our Society" by Jonathan Biss in The NY Times. Click here to read "Can You Stop?" by Heather Havrilesky on Ask Polly Click here for the abstract of the study on The Batman Effect Click here to read William Fagan's article on Mbird, "Advent Has a Purpose (Candle Lighting Isn't It)"

1 hr 6 min
Nov 25, 2025Episode 286
Miracle at the Body Shop

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk picky eaters, shameless monsters, wartime tragedies, and the uselessness of God. Also, RJ wets the bed (and never looks back). Click here to listen to the recordings from the recent Mbird Conference in Charlottesville, VA. Click here to read "In Defense of Picking Eating" by Irina Dumistrescu on Serious Eats. Click here to read Belle Tindall's piece on Seen and Unseen, "We Needs a Sense of Shame -- But Need Mercy Even More." Click here for more details about the 2026 NYC Mbird Conference (4/23-25). Click here to read "The End of Ed Kochanowski's War" in The Boston Globe. Click here to read "A (Reluctant) Living Testimony" by Amanda Geisinger on Mbird.

1 hr 1 min
Nov 3, 2025Episode 285
A Beautiful Day to Yell at God

In which RJ, Sarah and Dave talk intentional everything, morbid curiosity, Methodist exorcists, and Hollywood epiphanies. Also, Sarah praises her favorite horror film, while the boys gush about Task. Click here to register for our Fall Conference in Charlottesville, VA (11/14&15) Click here to read When Did Everything Become So ‘Intentional’? by Marie Solis in the NY Times Click here to read The Perks of Morbid Curiosity by Coltan Scrivener in The Atlantic Click here to read "Exponents of Falsehood" by Jason Micheli on Mbird Click here to listen to the Mcast episode Sarah mentions, "What Am I Gonna Do About the Demons?" Click here to read the interview with Anthony Hopkins in the NY Times Click here to read "It's a Beautiful Day to Yell at God" by Sarah Condon on Mbird

1 hr 4 min
Oct 14, 2025Episode 284
The Telephone of Life

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk painless tattoos, workaholic scripts, sloppy social media, and Japanese lifesavers. Also, Sarah gets down with a theater full of fifth graders before singing with church full of Norwegians. Closing music courtesy of Voice of Joy. Click here for more details about -- or to register for -- the Fall Mbird Conference in Charlottesville, VA (11/14&15). Click here to read in the Atlantic about how "People Are Getting Tattoos Under Anesthesia." Click here to watch the short film, Beneath the Ink. Click here to read "If I Work Harder, Will You Love Me?" by Arthur Brooks in the Atlantic. Click here to read "We Are the Slop" by Freya India in the After Babel newsletter. Click here to read Dave's piece "Grace in a Time of Line-Drawing and Statement-Making" on Mbird. Click here to read about "The Pastor Who Rescues People from Japan’s ‘Suicide Cliff’" by Kazusa Okaya in Christianity Today. Click here to find out more about Voice of Joy, the Norwegian gospel choir Sarah mentions who also close the show.

1 hr 4 min
Sep 29, 2025Episode 283
The Ol' Telling the Truth Trick

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk silent retreats, repentant writing, alien mercy, and Hallmark movies. Also, RJ goes Confucian while Dave spitballs a new kind of Dry January. Click here to read Ben Brasch's article "Silent Retreats Are Surging in Popularity" in the Washington Post. Click here to read Lauren Jackson's newsletter on "The Pscyhological Value of Repentance" in the NY Times. Click here to read Sarah's "Grace in an Age of Vengeance" on Mbird. Click here to read Ashley Hales's interview with Elizabeth Bruenig in Christianity Today, "Alien Mercy." Click here to read Elizabeth Bruenig's lengthy essay "Witness" in The Atlantic. Click here to read Matt Metevelis's piece on Mbird "The Gospel Is Not Your Happy Ending." Click here for more information about, or to pre-register for, the Fall Mbird Conference in Charlottesville, VA (Nov 14&15).

1 hr 3 min
Sep 15, 2025Episode 282
Do It Afraid

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk predatory advice-giving, suspicious mission statements, unloving algorithms, and atoning physicians. Also, Dave's son wins a big award. Click here to read Russell Shaw's article in the Atlantic, "When Your Kid’s Best Friend Is a Great Big Problem." Click here to read the NY Times interview with Brene Brown. Click here to read NBW's "Sufficiently Suspicious" newsletter. Click here to read "Excuses, Excuses" by Sam Bush on Mbird. Click here to read "A Family Doctor's Search for Salvation" in the New Yorker.

1 hr 5 min
Sep 1, 2025Episode 281
Fluffy Pens and Perfectionist Pain

In the season premiere, RJ, Sarah and Dave talk nightmare summers, tween retailers, ethical checklists, and the deadliest addiction of all. We also learn the whole point of Sarah. Click here to read Dave's post on "Lessons from a (Miserable) Summer on Crutches". Click here to read Ellen Cushing's "What Claire's Once Gave Tween Girls" on The Atlantic. Click here to read "The Pain of Perfectionsism" by Leslie Jamison on The New Yorker. Click here to read "Bad Brains" by James Kimmel Jr on Slate. Click here to read "Jesus Doesn't Care When You Wake Up" by Todd Brewer on Mbird. Click here for more details -- or to pre-register -- for the Fall Mockingbird Conference in Charlottesville, VA (Nov 14&15).

48 min
Jul 15, 2025
Bonus Episode: "The Hawaiian Shirt Guy at at Wedding" from Terrible Parables

Mockingcasters looking for something to listen to while the crew is on summner hiatus, look no further! We're cross-posting the first episode of the new season of our Terrible Parables podcast, "The Hawaiian Shirt Guy at a Wedding" in which long time Mockingbird contributors Cali Yee, Todd Brewer and Bryan Jarrell parse the parable of the Wedding Banquet that Jesus tells in Matthew 22:1-14. Listen to more episodes of Terrible Parables on Spotify Listen to more episodes of Terrible Parables on Apple Click here to order a copy of the Law & Gospel issue of The Mockingbird Magazine

1 hr 6 min
May 27, 2025Episode 279
We Are All Nepo Babies

In their last episode before the summer hiatus, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk afternoon pop-ins, cigarette nostalgia, do-gooder derogation, and rejected generations. Also, RJ watches Cobra Kai while Sarah's son (thankfully) opts not to take over the world. To respond to the opening appeal, visit www.mbird.com/support. Click here to read Patricia Shannon's column, "Let's Bring Back the Lost Art of the Afternoon Visit" in Southern Living Click here to read Vox's Future Perfect newsletter about do-gooder derogation by Sigal Samuel Click here to read David Brooks' article "We Are the Most Rejected Generation" in the NY Times Click here to read "Nepo Babies and the Economy of Grace" by Chris Wachter on Mbird The closing song, used with permission, is "Miracle Service" by Andy Squyres, which you can find on Spotify, YouTube, and Apple

1 hr 1 min
May 12, 2025Episode 278
Big Joe Breaks the Silence

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk marketing trauma, cultural decline, and the pluses and minuses of the silent treatment. Also, Sarah goes on a date to WalMart, while RJ tries real hard to be the shepherd. Click here to read Ellen Cushing's article "The Brands Are Very Sorry About Your Trauma." Click here to read Is This the Worst-Ever Era of American Pop Culture? by Spencer Kornhaber. Click here to read "Deafening Silence" by Sam Bush on Mbird. Click here to read David Marchese's interview with Ocean Vuong in the NY Times.

1 hr 14 min
Apr 28, 2025Episode 277
The Big Relief of a Good Dishwasher

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Pope Francis, dirty dishes, eternal life, and Dave's new book, The Big Relief. Also, RJ bleeds in the pulpit while Sarah takes us to the alley. Click here to listen to (and watch) Gregory Porter sing "Take Me to the Alley". Click here to read Ellen Cushing's "There Are Two Types of Dishwasher People" in the Atlantic. Click here to read "The Work of Small Talk" from the Oliver Bateman Does the Work substack. Click here to order Dave's book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World. Click here to listen to the interview that RJ mentions (Dave on Give + Take with Scott Jones). Or here to watch it. Click here to read Bryan Jarrell's piece, "Eternal Life Is Not Embarrassing" on Mbird.

1 hr 13 min
Apr 14, 2025Episode 276
Love Has a Million Disguises (But Winning Is Simply Not One)

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk comic marriages, unruly kids, brainwashed Christians and Lenten props. Also, RJ recounts his favorite ever baptism while Sarah revises her opinion of frozen margaritas. Click here to register for the NYC Conference. Click here to pre-register Dave's new book, The Big Relief. Click here to read Olga Khazan's article about "What Comedians Know About Staying Married". Click here to watch Conan O'Brien's acceptance speech for the Mark Twain Award. Click here to read "In Praise of Unruly Children in Church" by Phil Christman in The Christian Century. Click here to read "It's Always the Other Side That's Brainwashed" by Nikhil Krishnan in The New Yorker. Click here to read Ben Maddison's article on "The Dangers of Prop Comedy" on Mbird. Episode title courtesy of Jon Guerra's song "Citizens", used with permission.

1 hr 8 min
Mar 24, 2025Episode 275
Whereupon He Flipped Me the Bird

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk trend fatigue, athletic nepotism, and toxic preconditions. Also, RJ ponders South Korean babies while Sarah balks at a decision-making expert's decision. Click here to register for the upcoming Mbird Conference in New York City (5/1-3) Click here to read Callie Holtermann's "Too Many Trends!" in The New York Times Click here to read about LeBron James and the Limits of Nepotism in The Atlantic Click here to read Oliver Burkeman's newsletter about "Toxic Preconditions" Click here to read "The Last Decision by the World’s Leading Thinker on Decisions" by Jason Zweig in the Wall Street Journal Click here to read David Clay's "A Mercy Hidden in Judgment"

1 hr 6 min
Mar 10, 2025Episode 274
Donuts for Lent

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk gracious dermatology, religious resurgence, endemic narcissism, and alto harmonies. Also, Sarah sings some spirituals while RJ watches some cows. Click here to read "Dr Pimple Popper Knows You Can't Look Away" by Eve Peyser Click here to read Ruth Graham's report on how Christianity’s Decline in U.S. Appears to Have Halted in the NY Times Click here to read Tony Robinson's post "Getting Over Ourselves" on Mbird Click here to read NBW's substack "Nobody Is Doing This Right (Except Me)" Click here to read "Singing Myself Back to Life" by Susan Swetnam in Commonweal The closing song is "I See the Birds" by Jon Guerra. Used with permission. Click here to purchase on Apple or here to purchase on Bandcamp, or here to listen on Spotify.

1 hr 17 min
Feb 17, 2025Episode 273
The Kingdom of God Comes to Death Row

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk relationship recessions, trustafarian guilt, providential nuns, and revitalized churches. Also, Sarah throws a Galentine's party for the ages. Click here to order a copy of the Holy Spirit issue of The Mockingbird, or here to subscribe to the magazine Click here to register for our upcoming NYC Conference (5/1-3) Click here to read about America's 'Marriage Material' Shortage in The Atlantic Click here to read Elizabeth Callen's piece "Dying Alone?" on Mbird Click here to read New York Magazine's profile of "People With Parents With Money" Click here to read Lawrence Wright's essay about "The Nuns Trying to Save the Women on Texas's Death Row" in The New Yorker Click here to read "Stirring Up Hope" by Paul Zahl on Mbird

1 hr 8 min
Feb 3, 2025Episode 272
Running Toward the Ick

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk attention wars, inner critics, and middle school drama teachers. Also, RJ learns what HALT stands for, while Sarah gets her playdates mixed up. Click here to learn more about (or order!) the Holy Spirit Issue of The Mockingbird Click here to watch_ The Turnaround_ Click here to read "You're Being Aliented From Your Attention" by Chris Hayes Click here to read Rhik Samadder's article about The Ick in The Guardian Click here for "People Lash Out When They're Sad" by Heather Havrilesky, via Ask Polly Click here to read The False Gospel of Our Inner Critic" by Steve Cuss in Christianity Today Click here to read "You Can't Choose Your Grace" by Ben Fort on Mbird

1 hr 12 min
Jan 20, 2025Episode 271
The Trapdoor of Grace

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk diminished partying, fearful motivations, radical saints, and the difference between spells and prayers. Also, Sarah shares what will happen when all the yards are finally mowed. Click here for more details about our Spring Conference in NYC (5/1-3) Click here to pre-order Dave's new book, The Big Relief Click here to read Oshan Jarow's newsletter about mediation for Vox. Click here to read about Americans Need to Party More by Ellen Cushing in The Atlantic. Click here to read Elizabeth Kolbert's essay in The New Yorker, "Does One Emotion Rule All Our Ethical Judgments?" Click here to read James Parker's piece on "The Saint America Needs Right Now." Click here to read "Spells and Prayers" by Alan Jacobs on Mbird.

1 hr 12 min
Dec 21, 2024Episode 270
Planes, Trains, and Miracles

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk peak reviewing, Martha Stewart's redemption, and Vietnamese recovery. Also, Spotify brings Dave full circle while Sarah uncovers a lost monologue from an 80s classic. Click here to read "Whatever You Do, Don't Review This" by Eric Taub in the NY Times. Click here to read Belle Tindall's "What Spotify Wrapped Really Tells Us About Ourselves" on Seen & Unseen. Click here to read Elizabeth Bernstein's column on "The Micropolitics of Family Gift Giving" in the WSJ. Click here to read about "Martha Stewart and the Pursuit of Perfection" on Mbird, courtesy of Sam Bush. Click here to read "Finding Sobriety--and Jesus--in Vietnam's Christian Rehabs" by Angela Lu Fulton in CT. Click here to read Mbird's list of Favorite Christmas Movies. Click here to listen to Sarah C's recent sermon, "The Tragic Gap of Advent." Click here to read the original script for Trains, Planes, and Automobiles. The scene Sarah references is on pages 119-122. Finally, click here to give a yearend gift to Mockingbird. We'll be back in mid-January!

1 hr 5 min
Dec 9, 2024Episode 269
A Crisis of Gratitude

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk prepositional gratitude, backfiring fatalism, overgrown cemeteries, and lighthearted Advents. Also, RJ expounds on the benefits of bumblefat. Click here to respond to the opening appeal and support Mockingbird this year-end! Click here to read Joshua Rothman's essay in The New Yorker, "Why Is Gratitude So Difficult?" Click here to read Bryan Jarrell's piece for Mbird on "Gold Medal Gratitude". Click here to read Jeneen Interlandi's NY Times op-ed, "We Tire Very Quickly of Being Told Everything's on Fire." Click here to read Cara Buckley's piece about the Rewilding of America's Cemeteries. Click here to watch the Instagram videos of Robin Rosenthal and her family that Sarah mentions. Click here to Garrison Keillor's substack about "Walking to Church On a Cold Day".

1 hr 1 min
Nov 18, 2024Episode 268
Loving the Hell Out

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk post-election uncertainty, grieving non-grandparents, digital self-worth, and the bondage of the will. Also, Dave shares an important new use for q-tips. Click here to read Adam Grant's op-ed in the NY Times, "If You’re Sure How the Next Four Years Will Play Out, I Promise: You’re Wrong". Click here to read Dave's post-election round-up on Mbird. Click here to read Catherine Pearson's article on "The Unspoken Grief of Never Becoming a Grandparent". Click here to read Thea Lim's essay in The Walrus, "The Collapse of Self-Worth in the Digital Age". Click here to read Amy Mantravadi's Mbird column on "(Post-) Election Day Hope". Click here to order a copy of Amy's novel Broken Bonds.

1 hr 2 min
Nov 4, 2024Episode 267
Redemption Is Better Than Perfection

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk vibes, clutter, high school bullies, and fortunate falls. Also, Sarah contemplates Elvis, while RJ comes to terms with his uncoolness. Click here to read Kyle Edward Williams piece on Vibes in the Hedgehog Review. Click here to read Matt Alt's essay on The Joy of Clutter for Aeon. Click here Simeon Ellin's piece for Buzzfeed about Tracking Down the Girls Who Bullied Her As a Kid. Click here to read Will McDavid's post on Mbird, "Bridesmaids Revisited." Click here to read Karen Swallow Prior's newsletter about George Herbert's shape-poem "Easter Wings."

49 min
Oct 22, 2024Episode 266
Reintroducing the Mockingcast

Recorded in front of an audience in Tyler, TX, Sarah and Dave do their best to explain the What and Why of The Mockingcast. Think of it as a rare peek behind the curtain as well as a perfect jumping on point for new listeners. Also, Sarah spills some serious tea about a presidential funeral.

1 hr 4 min
Oct 7, 2024Episode 265
Why Me Lord?

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Michelin stars, friends with money, autonomy traps, and Kristofferson's conversion. Also, Sarah and Dave gush about their favorite poet-priest-prophet-musician-TacoBellObsessive Andy Squyres. Click here to listen to The StoryMakers Podcast. Click here to read The Economist's report on The Curse of the Michelin Star. Click here to read about backfiring wellness iniatives. Click here to read Kristin Wong's article in the The NY Times about financial disparties within friendships. Click here to read James Wood's essay "The Autonomy Trap" in Plough. Click here to read Todd Brewer's "Why Does God Talk So Loud?" on Mbird. Click here to watch Kris Kristofferson relate the story behind "Why Me Lord?"

1 hr 12 min
Sep 23, 2024Episode 264
Rock Bottom Has a Basement

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk school drop-off insanity, mindful underparenting, Silicon Valley rationalism, and anorexic recovery. Also, Sarah listens to a parking lot confession, while RJ fails to keep up. This episode is lovingly dedicated to the memory of Everett Lees. Click here to give to the Lees Family Trust. Click here to read about How School Drop-Off Became a Nightmare by Kendra Hurley. Click here to read Darby Saxbe' column in The NY Times, "Parents Should Ignore Their Children More Often." Click here to read Larry Ellison's remarks about AI Cameras Ensuring Good Behavior. Click here to read (or listen to) Ezra Klein's interview with Zadie Smith. Click here to read Lindsay Holifield's piece on Mbird, "When All Else Fails."

1 hr 7 min
Sep 9, 2024Episode 263
Estrangements and Encylopedias

In their first episode back, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk peak loneliness, familial estrangement, and forgiven shoplifters. Also, our new logo/icon debuts, and a pair of Condons learn to surf. Click here for more information about our upcoming event in Tyler, TX (Sept 27&28) Click here to read "Why Is the Loneliness Epidemic So Hard to Cure?" in the NY Times Magazine Click here to order a copy of the Home Issue of The Mockingbird Magazine Click here to read "Why So Many People Are Going “No Contact” with Their Parents" by Anna Russell in The New Yorker Click here to read "Creation Myths" by Linden Smith in The Point Click here to read "The Gospel Isn't For Everyone (But It Is For You)" by Sam Bush on Mockingbird

1 hr 27 min
Jun 20, 2024
Bonus Episode: "Faith" from The Brothers Zahl

For Mockingcasters looking for something to listen to while the gang is on hiatus this summer, look no further! We hope you enjoy the first episode of the new season of Mbird's The Brothers Zahl podcast, "Faith". Click here to subscribe or listen to more episodes on Spotify Click here to subscribe or listen to more episodes on Apple Click here to visit the The Brothers Zahl landing page on Fireside Click here to peruse the recommendations and references included in the episode

1 hr 3 min
Jun 3, 2024Episode 261
What Am I Gonna Do About the Demons?

In their last episode before the summer hiatus, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk wedding snobbery, tearjerker movies, and secular exorcisms. The gang wish listeners a fruitful unburdening these next few months! If you feel so led, visit www.mbird.com/support to respond to the opening appeal. Click here to read Francesca Carington's article in the The Guardian, "Why Are We So Snobby About Other People's Weddings?" Click here to read Heather Havrilesky's plea in the NY Times to "Bring Back the Tear-Jerker!" Click here to read the head-spinning review of Rober Falconer's The Others Within Us on Astral Codex Ten Click here to listen to Andrew Root's talk from the NYC Mbird Conference Click here to read Elizabeth Callen's Infinite Grace on Mbird Season 3 of The Brothers Zahl kicks off on Monday June 10th! Click here to subscribe.

1 hr 5 min
May 20, 2024Episode 260
I Don't Know If I Should Say This

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk weight loss drugs, hypochondria, and the hound of heaven. Also, Sarah attends a pool party while Dave fesses up to his inner Christian Scientist. Click here to listen to the recordings of our recent NYC Conference. Click here to watch Jerry Seinfeld's commencement address at Duke. Click here to read "So Was Body Positivity a Big Lie?" by Samhita Mukhopadhyay in The Cut. Click here to read Meghan O'Rourke's "Hypochondria Never Dies" in The Atlantic. Click here to read "Found By the Hound of Heaven" by Lindsay Holifield on Mbird.

58 min
May 1, 2024Episode 259
Last Chopper Out of Vietnam

Recorded live in front of the audience at Mockingbird's annual conference in NYC, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk quarter-life crises, parental control, dating types, and the relief of not being God. Also, Dave and RJ finally figure out who won. Click here to read The New Quarter-Life Crisis by Maggie Mertens in The Atlantic. Click here to Kathryn Jezer-Morton's piece on "Parenting Through Control Issues" for The Cut. Click here to read The One Big Thing You Can Do for Your Kids by Arthur Brooks. Click here to read Lillian Fishman's advice column for The Point, asking Can We Ever Trust Ourselves? Click here to read Seven Words That Sum Up the Entire Bible by Anthony Robinson on Mbird.

1 hr 4 min
Apr 20, 2024Episode 258
The Greatest Bible Study of All Time

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk furniture flipping, rental people, lunar eclipses, and Rwandan redemption. Also, RJ drops some serious science. Click here for more details about next week's Mbird Conference in NYC Click here to read the excerpt from Amanda Montell's new book The Age of Overthinking in Marie Claire Click here to receive Sarah Hinlicky Wilson's newsletter Theology and A Recipe, the most recent installment of which is Bad Pie Click here to read Todd Brewer's piece Looking for Enchantment on Mbird Click here to read Denise Uwimana's "How Far Does Forgiveness Reach?" in Plough

1 hr 13 min
Mar 25, 2024Episode 257
Screwing Up Is a Good Start

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk elephant mudslides, liquid death, Alzheimers, and atonement. It's an instant classic! Click here to register for the NYC Conference (April 25-27). To reserve a spot for the James Tissot exhibit, email [email protected] ASAP. Click here to read Sallie Tisdale's piece in The Atlantic, "Do Animals Have Fun?" Click here to read Jacob Stern's article on how Of Course America Fell for Liquid Death. Click here to read The Case Against the Instant Classic by Sam Bush on Mbird. Click here to read the (first three quarters of) of the Garrison Keillor's blog entry that Sarah quotes. Click here to read Jen Pollock Michel's Mbird essay "The Long Lent of Alzheimers." Click here to read "God's Forgiveness Is Costly" by Emil Brunner on Plough.

56 min
Mar 11, 2024Episode 256
God Is Not a Puzzle to Be Solved

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk interpersonal dislikes, luxury beliefs, and Roman revenge. Also, polyamory. Click here to read the Ask Polly newsletter, "It's Not a Moral Failure to Dislike Someone" by Heather Havrilesky Click here to read Rob Henderson's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal "Luxury Beliefs That Only the Privileged Can Afford." Click here to Ash French's review of The Book of Clarence in Salon. Click here to read Meaghan Ritchey's interview with James K.A. Smith on Mockingbird. Click here to order your copy of the Mystery Issue of our magazine (where you can read the sermon Dave references)!

1 hr 10 min
Feb 26, 2024Episode 255
Mortal Movie Stars and Awesome Astronauts

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk rainy days, mean girls, and the strange blessing of Parkinson's. Also, the boys learn an important lesson about temperature. Click here to order a copy of The Mystery Issue of The Mockingbird Magazine. And here for more details about our upcoming NYC Conference (4/25-27). Click here to read about Rod Rosenbladt and the Gospel for Those Broken by the Church Click here to read Gilad Edelman's piece on The Best Small-Talk Topic in the Atlantic Click here to read Jessica Bennett's piece on Mean Girls in the NY Times Click here to read This Enchanted Universe by Ben Self Click here to read Jordan Griesbeck's review of the Michael J Fox documentary, Still

1 hr 6 min
Feb 5, 2024Episode 254
Fellowship of the Cringe

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk core memories, superegos, uncool churchgoers, and revenge vampires. Also, Dave sights a celebrity while Sarah dials up some French-Canadian cartoons. Oh, and the gang flips out over Fargo! Click here for more information, or to pre-register for our NYC Conference (4/25-27). Click here to read Kathryn Jezer-Morton's newsletter on "Why Are Parents So Fixated on Core Memories?" Click here to read Michael Roth's review of Mark Edmundson's book in The Washington Post, "What Would Freud Say About Our Online Lives?" Click here to read Russell Moore's piece on "Grace in the Age of Guilt" in Christianity Today. Click here to read Mary Harrington's newsletter, "You Need to Be Cringemaxxing." Click here to read Sarah's Mbird post on Revenge Vampires.

1 hr 2 min
Jan 12, 2024Episode 253
The Ministry of Fun

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Tetris, youth groups, paganism, and magi interlopers. Also, Dave plays some bingo while RJ questions the wisdom of the buddymoon. Click here to read Angela Watercutter's piece on Why Everyone Is Obsessed With the Kid Who Beat Tetris in Wired. Click here to read Karen Heller's essay, "Fun Is Dead" in the Washington Post. Click here to read "The Return of the Pagans" by David Wolpe in The Atlantic. Click here to read Derek Sweatman's reflection on "Why the Magi Matter" on Mbird.

1 hr 15 min
Dec 18, 2023Episode 252
A Merry Little Rizzmas

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk top words, millennial motherhoods, cancerous insights, and sad Christmases. Everyone also gives a few recs from the year gone by. Click here to read about Mirieam-Webster's word of the year. Click here to read about Oxford's. Click here to read Jordan Griesbeck's post on Mbird, "Thou Shalt Have a Thing." Click here to read Rachel Cohen's essay for Vox, “How Millennials Learned to Dread Motherhood.” Click here to read Josh Jeter's interview with Christian Wiman on Christianity Today. Click here to read Sarah's article, "Put the Sad Back in Christmas." The closing song is "Medium Christmas" by Caroline Fowler and is included with permission.

1 hr 14 min
Dec 4, 2023Episode 251
The Horror and the Majesty

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk passive aggression, teenage misery, jazz flute comebacks, and wartime prayers. Also, Sarah celebrates Wally Moon day while Dave declares the worst of the meats. [Click here](www.mbird.com/support) to respond to the opening appeal. We need your support! Click here to read Josh Cohen's essay on Passive Aggression in 1843 Magazine. Click here to read Zadie Smith's piece, The Fall of My Teen-Age Self in The New Yorker. Click here to read Blake Nail's Mbird article on "André 3000’s Flute in the Midst of Loudness". Click here to read the interview with Phil Klay in the NY Times Magazine, "Finding a Moral Center in this Era of War."

1 hr 19 min
Nov 20, 2023Episode 250
The Gang Goes Goth

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk eldest daughters, crypto parents, and a pair of awe-inspiring conversions. Also, Dave binges some Curb while Sarah discloses the worst thing someone said to her in the early days of grief. Click here to read Sarah Sloat's piece on The Plight of the Eldest Daughter in The Atlantic. Click here to read Katie Roiphe's WSJ essay on "Why Are We So Obsessed with Sam Bankman-Fried's Parents?" Click here to listen to Simeon Zahl's talk from Minneapolis, "The World Is a Hospital". Click here to read the review of Dachner Keltner's book, Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform You Life in The Guardian. Click here to read about Kat von D's conversion. And click here to watch the video of her baptism. Click here to read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's column, "Why I Am Now a Christian" on UnHerd.

1 hr 7 min
Nov 4, 2023Episode 249
Justin Timberlake Is Dead to Me

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk canine anxiety, celebrity memoirs, and dispensaries (of grace). Also, Sarah prays for high waistlines while RJ uncovers a stroller conspiracy. Click here to read Rose Horowich's "Too Many People Own Dogs" in The Atlantic. Click here to read Patti Davis's column in the NY Times, "Matthew Perry and the Loneliness of Addiction." Click here to order a copy of John Z's Grace in Addiction, published by Mockingbird. Click here to read Spencer Kornhaber's review of Britney Spears's new memoir. Click here to read Corinne Purtill's profile of Robert Sapolsky in The LA Times. Click here to read Matthew Sitman's essay on Muddling Through that he references in the Know Your Enemy clip (used with permission).

1 hr 5 min
Oct 23, 2023Episode 248
God's Great Merciful Lie

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk oral hygiene, couples' conflicts, and the Minnesota board of pardons. Also, the gang finally explains the show's name. Click here to Adam Mastroianni's piece on "Do I Have to Keep Flossing?" Click here to read the interview with Esther Perel about the 3 Things Every Couple Fights About. Click here to read Dan Barry's profile of the Minnesota Board of Pardons (and view the incredible photos by Todd Heisler). Click here to read Dave's post, "Doormats Are Holy." Click here to read about "God's Compassionate Indifference to Sinners" by Todd Brewer.

1 hr 8 min
Oct 2, 2023Episode 247
Boys, Men, and Second Chances

In which RJ, Sarah and Dave talk astrology, masculinity, and minor league saints. Also, a certain Scorpio experiences the opposite of good will on a visit to Good Will. Click here to read the Reductress article "Why I Don’t Believe in Astrology Unless It Reaffirms Something I Already Thought." Click here to read Christine Emba's essay "Men Are Lost. Here's a Map Out of the Wilderness" in the Washington Post. Click here to read Caitlin Flanagan's "In Praise of Heroic Masculinity" in The Atlantic. Click here to read "Why Baseball Doc ‘Saint of Second Chances’ Is Making Grown Men Cry" by Nick Schager in The Daily Beast. Click here to read Katelyn Beaty's essay "Mercy Begets Mercy" in The Mockingbird. Click here to read Andy Squyres's devotion "I Saw God".

1 hr 10 min
Sep 18, 2023Episode 246
Sanitation Salvation

In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk mission trips, mistaken restaurant orders, Indian toilets, and toxic achievement culture. Also, RJ pines for Portugal while Sarah considers turning off the radio (but doesn't). Click here to learn more about Mbird's upcoming Minneapolis conference (9/29-30). Click here to read Joshua Musser Gritter's piece Why I Love Short-Term Mission Trips. Click here to read Forbes's article on The Restaurant of Mistaken Orders. Click here for more details on Mary Cail's new book, Dementia and The Church. Click here to read The Economist's obituary for Bindeshwar Pathak. Hypocrisy Click here to read the interview with Jennifer Breheny Wallace in The Harvard Gazette. Click here to read Dave's post about Advertising Your Hypocrisy. The devotion discussed at the end of the cast, written by Melina Smith of Storymakers, is taken from the upcoming devotional edited by Katie Koplin and published by 1517 Press, Encouragement for Motherhood. It comes out in Spring of 2024.