The Ken Carman Show with Anthony Lima

Albert Breer's deep dive into the Myles Garrett trade reveals that Andrew Berry had a secret think tank of some of the most respected executives in sports, including Sam Presti and Chaim Bloom, helping him work up the nerve to trade a future Hall of Famer. The Browns handled this departure so cleanly that Garrett was literally sitting in Jimmy Haslam's house for a final summit after the deal was done, a far cry from the ugly Baker Mayfield divorce that left everyone bitter. Ken makes the point that the Browns have basically admitted to the whole world they do not think they are good enough to compete right now, so the pressure is on to make every single one of those picks count.

Albert Breer drops a bombshell Sports Illustrated piece revealing that Myles Garrett was meeting with Andrew Berry every Tuesday to go over roster construction, meaning he almost certainly knew a trade was coming long before anyone else did. Ken and Lima dig into the fascinating detail that the Browns and Rams had a secret trade conversation back in 2022, and Barry trusted the Rams enough to go back to them this time knowing it would never leak. The whole story paints a picture of a clean, mutual breakup rather than a bitter divorce, but it still leaves one giant unanswered question about what exactly the Browns promised Garrett when he signed that big contract extension.

Ken and Lima analyze Nick Saban's congressional testimony regarding NIL and the future of college athletics. They debate whether a salary cap is necessary to save non-revenue sports and maintain the core purpose of universities. This conversation explores potential hypocrisy within the system and the long-term societal impact of privatizing college sports. 01:46 - Saban's Congressional NIL Testimony 06:05 - Protecting Student-Athlete Opportunities 10:30 - Defining Sustainability in Football 15:45 - Case for College Caps 19:45 - NFL Rookie Scale Comparison

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the Cleveland Guardians' strong performance against the New York Yankees and explore the evolving team dynamics for the Cleveland Browns. They evaluate the quarterback battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders and highlight the leadership impact of newly acquired Jared Verse. 01:50 - Guardians Yankees Series 06:00 - Cleveland Fan Mentality 11:36 - Wembanyama Star Power 20:18 - Browns Coaching Honeymoon 24:40 - Monken Winning Totals 31:25 - Verse Leadership Impact 43:38 - Josh Hart Analytics 53:47 - Monken Deion Meeting 01:09:31 - Stefanski Outreach Issues 01:20:40 - Guardians Pitching Depth 01:29:20 - Defensive Culture Shift 01:35:42 - Mary Kay Cabot 01:44:30 - Verse Unifying Team 01:53:20 - Sanders Gaining Momentum 02:04:31 - Analyzing Verse Trade 02:13:30 - Brother In Law Money 02:34:01 - Call From Maurice

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima react to the Cleveland Guardians' continued success against the Yankees before diving into the NBA Finals and Victor Wembanyama's unique dominance. They then pivot to the Browns' preseason, debating whether the team should start Shedeur Sanders over Deshaun Watson following the departure of Myles Garrett. 02:36 - Guardians Beat Yankees 07:17 - Wembanyama's NBA Impact 12:52 - NBA Finals Reactions 19:36 - Todd Monken On Browns 24:47 - Deshaun Watson Versus Shedeur 33:41 - Browns Leadership Transition

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze whether Kenny Atkinson's controversial analytics remark will create a lasting distraction for the Cavaliers. They also debate Deion Sanders’ recent comments regarding the Browns’ communication with him about Shedeur Sanders. The segment explores the complexities of daddy ball narratives in professional sports and the pressure on head coaches. 01:50 - Upcoming Mary Kay Segment 02:42 - Josh Hart Analytics Comments 03:47 - Atkinson Analytics Remark Fallout 09:25 - Championship Expectations For Cavs 13:15 - Deion Sanders and Monken 18:13 - Father vs Coach Dynamics 25:01 - Jedd Fisch Communication Standard 32:45 - Deion's Frustration With Browns 37:01 - Paul Critiques Kevin Stefanski

Mary Kay Cabot joins Ken Carmen and Anthony Lima to discuss a potential paradigm shift in the Cleveland Browns quarterback competition. She reports that Shedeur Sanders is gaining significant momentum and could challenge Deshaun Watson for the starting role as training camp approaches. They also analyze the culture impact of the Myles Garrett trade and the rising expectations for the Guardians young roster. 01:50 - Jose Ramirez Playoff Pressure 05:36 - Guardians Pitching and Rotation 09:05 - Teammates React to Garrett Trade 16:18 - Mary Kay Cabot Interview 21:22 - Shedeur Sanders Gaining Momentum 25:01 - Leadership Shift After Garrett 33:09 - Ken and Anthony React 37:41 - Future of Browns Quarterback

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima explore the performance expectations for Jared Verse and how he compares to the departed Myles Garrett. They also get side-tracked by Carman's elaborate birthday plans for his wife, leading to a debate on the social etiquette of accepting financial help from family members. 01:55 - Jared Verse Expectations 08:20 - Garrett Trade Culture Shift 15:55 - Sarah’s 40th Birthday Plans 19:40 - Party Bus Funding Dilemma 25:00 - Family Money Etiquette Debate 36:10 - Maurice’s Shedeur Sanders Take

A fired up caller named Maurice from the Bay Area calls in absolutely convinced that the Myles Garrett trade sealed Shedeur Sanders as the Browns quarterback of the future, and the energy in the studio suggests most of the hosts quietly agree with him. The guys also drop a wild financial stat about the NBA Finals, pointing out that Brunson, Hart, and Schamet combined are making less than what the Cavs will owe Donovan Mitchell next year alone. The show wraps with some unresolved drama about a feuding colleague just down the hall who apparently is not ready to broker peace anytime soon.

Lima is dropping two grand on his wife's 40th birthday between a party bus, a winery tour, and a nice dinner, and her brother Jake keeps texting from California wanting to chip in but has gotten nothing but deflection back. The guys debate whether there is something inherently awkward about a husband accepting money from his brother-in-law for his own wife's celebration, even when the relationship is totally solid and Jake genuinely just feels bad about being far away. The verdict leans toward just letting Jake shove some cash in his hand when he gets to town and not making it weird.

The hosts break down why comparing Verse to Garrett sack-for-sack is the wrong way to judge this trade, arguing that Cleveland was never going to win with a roster built entirely around one transcendent pass rusher who was not the heart and soul of the locker room anyway. Greg Beacham, who covers the Rams for the AP, calls Verse a top ten pass rusher already and someone who has all the ingredients to be one of the best in the league, which has the hosts cautiously optimistic but trying hard to keep expectations in check. The bigger picture here is six years of a young, hungry, vocal leader on a defense that finally has a chance to build real culture around someone who actually wants to be there.

Mary Kay Cabot's report that Shedeur has genuinely surprised the Browns coaching staff has the hosts fired up, and an insider source confirms yesterday was Sanders' best day of OTAs with his footwork improving and his big plays finally showing up downfield. One host makes the emotional case that Browns fans simply deserve someone to look forward to, and that even if Shedeur is not proven yet, watching Deshaun Watson just dredges up too many bad memories to be worth it if this team is not going anywhere. The verdict is clear: let the best quarterback win the job, but the fanbase is quietly pulling hard for Shedeur to stack enough good days to make the decision easy.

Browns insider Mary Kay Cabot drops a bombshell, revealing that Shedeur Sanders has come on so strong in recent weeks that the organization may actually be pumping the brakes on handing Deshaun Watson the starting job before training camp even begins. Cabot also makes the case that Jared Verse is going to be a better team leader for this young Browns roster than Myles Garrett ever was, which is a sentence nobody saw coming a week ago. Todd Monken meeting with Deion Sanders is also apparently really happening, and the hosts want to know what fans think about all of it.

Carson Schwesinger was too busy trying to fix his slice to care, and neither he nor Alex Wright had even bothered to text Garrett yet, which has the hosts wondering if the locker room is maybe a little more relieved than anyone wants to admit. The guys dig into whether the Browns defense, for all its talent, ever actually felt like a real team with Garrett there, or if his presence made it easier to look the other way on culture and accountability. With Jared Verse and Quincy Williams now in the building alongside young leaders like Schwesinger and a maturing Alex Wright, Cleveland might finally be building something that goes beyond just one transcendent pass rusher carrying the whole show.

Ken and Lima analyze whether Kevin Stefanski made a mistake by not consulting Deion Sanders about the development and playing time of Shedeur Sanders. The discussion also revisits the fallout from the Baker Mayfield era and how those past coaching decisions continue to impact the perception of the current staff. 01:00 - Social Media Reactions 02:10 - Deion Sanders Debate 03:45 - Caller On QB Issues 06:45 - Baker Mayfield Fallout

Anthony and Keith discuss the tension between Deion Sanders and Kevin Stefanski regarding the draft process for Shedeur Sanders. They debate whether professional protocols should change when scouting a player whose father is a high-profile college head coach. The conversation also compares the situation to other notable coach-parent relationships in college football. 01:00 - Deion Sanders and Shedeur 04:55 - Kevin Stefanski and Nuance 09:00 - Deion's Critique of Stefanski 12:55 - Pat Shurmur and Scouting 15:50 - Training Camp Father Interactions

Ken and Lima react to Josh Hart’s podcast comments regarding analytics and how they might be a direct shot at Kenny Atkinson's past statements. The discussion explores whether Atkinson's reputation is permanently damaged by his 'analytical win' comment and if the Cleveland Cavaliers should consider a coaching change to avoid further national embarrassment. 01:11 - Josh Hart Mocks Analytics 04:42 - Kenny Atkinson Backlash 08:28 - Evaluating Atkinson's Future

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima discuss the shifting landscape for the Cleveland Browns following the Myles Garrett trade. They debate whether Todd Monken should prioritize veteran Deshaun Watson or rookie Shedeur Sanders to avoid wasting the fans' time during a rebuilding year. 01:07 - Morning Show Preview 01:44 - Jared Verse Leadership 04:21 - Browns Quarterback Debate

Ken and Anthony evaluate the Cleveland quarterback situation following the Myles Garrett trade and Todd Monken's recent comments on Shedeur Sanders. They discuss the contrasting training camp performances of Sanders and Deshaun Watson while debating if the team should focus on development. The conversation also explores adjusted season win totals and the impact of rookie pass rusher Jared Verse. 01:01 - Monken On Shedeur Sanders 04:56 - Browns Win Total Debate 09:30 - Starting Shedeur Over Watson

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima celebrate the Cleveland Guardians' success against the Yankees and the team's consistency compared to other local franchises. They transition into a deep dive on Victor Wembanyama's unique star power and the magnetic pull he has on both sports fans and the general public. 02:06 - Guardians Victory Recap 06:43 - Pro Sports Comparisons 09:57 - Wembanyama’s Global Stardom 17:11 - Game Night Observations

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the fallout from the blockbuster Myles Garrett trade and Jim Schwartz's decision to resign from the Cleveland Browns. They also debate the potential of supplemental draft prospect Brendan Sorsby and address Darius Garland's recent comments about his former team. 02:36 - Carman's Morning Traffic Incident 08:05 - Browns Fans Emotional Connection 13:42 - Lack Of Franchise Quarterback 22:19 - Andrew Barry Trade Narrative 29:34 - Jim Schwartz Breaks Silence 36:02 - Pressure On Todd Monken 45:12 - Evaluating Head Coaching Candidates 53:40 - Defending The Garrett Return 01:00:12 - Andrew Barry GM Future 01:12:34 - Garrett And Stefanski Relationship 01:18:53 - Denzel Ward Trade Assets 01:26:57 - Brendan Sorsby Prospect Debate 01:34:13 - Exhaustion With QB Search 01:43:58 - Caller Reactions To Rebuild 01:50:46 - Darius Garland Cavs Comments 01:59:04 - Ross Tucker Critiques Move 02:09:17 - Seeking New Team Leadership 02:16:11 - Sacks Versus Analytics Debate 02:25:24 - Evaluating Garrett Trade Return 02:36:33 - Weinermobile Traffic Incident

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze Andrew Barry's recent press conference and the long-term implications of trading Myles Garrett to the Rams. They discuss Jared Verse's potential to lead the division in sacks and review Jim Schwartz's explanation for resigning from the Browns. 01:50 - Unexpected Trade Opportunities 02:32 - Cleveland Sports Reactions 03:09 - Jared Verse's Ceiling 07:27 - Browns Fans' Emotions 10:15 - Garrett's L.A. Presser 13:15 - Quarterback Situations 15:51 - Garrett on Cleveland 20:49 - Andrew Barry's Strategy 34:34 - Jim Schwartz Speaks 37:34 - Todd Monken's Clock

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the fallout from the Cleveland Browns trading Myles Garrett to the Rams for Jared Verse and future draft picks. Guest Zach Jackson joins to discuss the management of the roster under Andrew Berry and reveals that Garrett might still be in Cleveland if Jim Schwartz had become head coach. They also evaluate the future of the quarterback position and the potential for upcoming trades involving Denzel Ward. 02:23 - Schwartz and Monken Dynamics 06:54 - Arch Manning Draft Scenarios 11:09 - Fan Frustration and Accountability 16:39 - Zach Jackson Joins Show 22:53 - The Schwartz-Garrett Revelation 31:11 - Brendan Sorsby Supplemental Draft 35:24 - Garrett vs Kevin Stefanski 40:12 - Denzel Ward Future Trade

They evaluate whether the Cleveland Browns should pursue quarterback Brendan Sorsby in the supplemental draft despite his history with sports gambling. The conversation transitions to Darius Garland’s recent comments about his time in Cleveland and the general perception of the city’s lifestyle compared to Los Angeles. 01:50 - Browns QB Draft Dilemma 05:20 - Character vs Talent Debate 08:48 - Case for Brendan Sorsby 13:19 - Fan Reaction to Sorsby 19:00 - Smartphone Gambling Culture 23:30 - Future Draft Assets Strategy 31:55 - Darius Garland Cavs Comments 36:40 - Cleveland vs LA Lifestyle

The discussion focuses on the impact of the Cleveland Browns trading away Myles Garrett and what to expect from rookie Jared Verse. Industry expert Myles Simmons joins to weigh in on the defensive transition and whether the current quarterback room holds the team's long-term future. 01:20 - Jim Schwartz & Garrett 02:53 - Todd Monken Pressure 03:18 - Jared Verse Expectations 05:54 - Schwartz Departed Early 14:45 - Myles Simmons Joins 16:20 - Sacks vs Pressures 23:25 - Browns Quarterback Future 29:10 - Garrett in LA 32:48 - Wienermobile Traffic Incident

Ken shares a hilarious story about being cut off in Cleveland traffic by the "Chili Dog" Oscar Mayer Wienermobile. The conversation evolves into a ranking of famous novelty vehicles and a caller sharing their own run-in with the giant hot dog on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. 01:01 - Wienermobile Traffic Encounter 02:50 - Celebrity Traffic Run-ins 03:45 - Wienermobile Fleet Breakdown 05:38 - Ranking Novelty Vehicles 06:40 - Listener Reports Sighting

Myles Simmons from Pro Football Talk joins the program to analyze the impact of the blockbuster trade sending Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams. They discuss why sacks remain the ultimate metric for defensive dominance and evaluate the potential of Jared Verse as a replacement in Cleveland. The conversation also covers the Browns' grim win projections, future quarterback prospects, and how the move to a major market affects Garrett's legacy. 01:04 - Sacks Versus Analytics 05:36 - Browns Win Projections 08:06 - Analyzing Garrett Trade 11:43 - Future Quarterback Outlook 14:06 - Garrett's Rams Legacy

Ken evaluates the impact of trading Myles Garrett and the expectations for Jared Verse to provide both sacks and leadership. They discuss the pressure on Todd Monken and Mike Rutenberg as the defense moves on from the Garrett era. 01:03 - Trading Myles Garrett 06:26 - Jared Verse Expectations 12:26 - Deshaun Watson Situation

Ken and Anthony Lima analyze Darius Garland’s recent comments on Lonzo Ball’s podcast regarding his struggles with the Cavaliers and his time in Los Angeles. They also debate the feasibility of LeBron James returning to Cleveland and react to Ross Tucker’s comments about the lifestyle differences between Southern California and Northeast Ohio. 01:06 - NBA Finals Tonight 02:01 - Darius Garland Cavs Comments 06:51 - LeBron And Lifestyle Debate

They weigh the risks of the Browns acquiring quarterback Brendan Sorsby, focusing on his gambling-related red flags and the impact on locker room culture. The discussion transitions into draft strategy, potential trades involving stars like Denzel Ward, and how the modern betting landscape complicates player monitoring.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the potential for the Cleveland Browns to select Texas Tech quarterback Brendan Sorsby in the supplemental draft. They weigh his high-level talent against concerns regarding his gambling history and the message it sends to the franchise's fan base.

Ken and Lima process the stunning reality that Myles Garrett has actually been traded, with Ken admitting he never truly believed it would happen despite months of smoke. The bigger concern now is the trickle-down effect on everyone else, including Jared Verse, Mason Graham, and a secondary already missing Denzel Ward and Grant Delpit. Ken worries that without 95 commanding double teams and dictating how offenses game plan, nobody else on this defense gets to be as good as they otherwise would be.

Zac Jackson from The Athletic gives the Myles Garrett trade his overall approval while validating the process that led to it, but the moment that stops everything is his flat declaration that if Jim Schwartz had been hired as head coach, Garrett is still a Cleveland Brown heading into year ten. The Browns get credit for making a sound long-term decision, with Jackson framing the rebuild timeline around the back half of 2027 and 2028 rather than anything happening this season, and Andrew Barry gets a strong endorsement for his willingness to embrace where the franchise actually is rather than pretending otherwise. The Brendan Sorsby supplemental draft question gets a smart answer too, with Jackson pointing out that in a silent auction nobody tips their hand, which means anything anyone says publicly about him should be taken with a full shaker of salt.

Ken and Lima dig into the uncomfortable question of what success even looks like this year without Myles Garrett, with Ken admitting he is going to empty the chamber of excuses for Todd Monken the way he did for Kevin Stefanski, which he knows Lima is going to hold against him. A caller named Nick cuts through everything and lands the hardest punch of the segment, asking at what point Browns fans stop lowering their expectations every single year and start demanding more, especially from a front office that is about to charge two million dollars for PSLs in a new stadium while fielding a five win team. Ken pushes back on the negligence charge about not shopping the Myles trade, promising to address it with Zac Jackson at 7:22, but the Arch Manning scenario is what really takes over the end of the segment with Ken making the uncomfortable but honest case that if the Browns land the number one pick, the Manning family is going to have more say over who coaches this team than anyone wants to admit.

Jim Schwartz breaks his silence on the Ryan Ripken show and delivers exactly the answer everyone already knew was coming, saying he was not going to stay on as defensive coordinator after getting passed over for the head coaching job because a forced marriage never works and players would have been more loyal to him than to Todd Monken. Ken and Lima both agree the reasoning is completely understandable and that they said the same thing the minute Monken was hired, but Ken's concern is not about the past, it is about what happens if Schwartz keeps popping up in the media during a five win season and starts undermining Monken before he ever gets a fair shot. The bigger question hangs over the whole segment, with Lima asking Ken directly whether the clock is already ticking on Todd Monken and Ken saying yes without hesitation, which sets up the next conversation with Zac Jackson about just how much runway this coaching staff actually has.

Ken and Lima dig into Andrew Berry's press conference claim that the trade essentially happened because the Rams were persistent and the media reports made them call, and Lima is not buying a single word of it. Ken takes Albert Breer's version over Berry's, arguing the real story is that there were probably two teams Miles would ever accept a trade to, the Rams and the Eagles, and Berry quietly had conversations with both while keeping it contained enough that it never blew up publicly. The Eagles counter offer rumor gets aired out, with Ken noting that if the Browns asked for Jalen Carter and the Eagles offered Nolan Smith Jr, those were two very different valuations of Myles Garrett, and nobody is ever going to admit what actually happened in those conversations. Ken closes with the Denzel Ward tell, pointing out that Berry conspicuously did not say no when asked about Ward at his press conference, which means Browns fans should probably get comfortable with the idea that this whole conversation is going to start all over again by November.

Ken and Lima play Myles Garrett's introductory press conference with the Rams, and the quotes land with a thud, Myles saying he loved Cleveland, his family planted roots there, and leaving tears at you, which Ken acknowledges is genuinely touching before immediately pivoting to the business reality that he has to root against the Rams until at least the Super Bowl because the pick value matters. Ken spends the first chunk of the show pushing back on national analytics guys who parachuted into the Browns fan base to explain why the trade was great, arguing that when you have never talked to these fans or understood what Myles meant to a franchise that went 0-16, you look like an idiot reducing it all to pass rush win rates. The core of Ken's frustration lands clearly: the trade confirms what everybody already knew, the Browns have zero faith in their quarterback room, and if they had even a Bo Nix level answer at the position Myles never goes anywhere. Ken closes on something bittersweet, saying Browns fans are now going to get to watch Myles on the biggest stages and finally find out just how good he truly is, which is both a gift and a gut punch at the same time.

The hosts of 92.3 The Fan react to the Browns' momentous trade of All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and draft picks. The guys parse what the deal means for the near- and long-term, what it says about the quarterback room, and weigh the team's apparently pragmatic approach for a move that was destined to be unpopular among fans.

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the seismic trade sending defensive star Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and significant draft capital. They weigh the emotional toll of losing a franchise icon against the practical need to secure a future quarterback like Shedeur Sanders. The discussion explores if Cleveland has finally accepted the reality of a long-term rebuild. 01:50 - Browns Trade Myles Garrett 11:04 - Quarterback Room Concerns 18:48 - Coach Lance Reaction 27:04 - Myles Garrett Leadership 36:55 - Andrew Berry Era 46:14 - Jim Schwartz Factor 55:42 - Franchise History Concerns 01:06:32 - Trade Timing Logistics 01:15:56 - Russell Wilson Retirement 01:26:15 - Todd Monken Expectations 01:34:12 - Tom Pelissero Interview 01:43:32 - Organizational Reset Vision 01:54:39 - Denzel Ward Market 02:03:01 - Jared Verse Analysis 02:13:25 - Ohio Geography Debate 02:21:56 - Myles Garrett Legacy 02:33:11 - Defensive Locker Room 02:39:54 - Andrew Berry Presser

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima weigh the heavy emotional toll of the Cleveland Browns trading Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams. They argue that while losing a generational talent is difficult, the trade provides the necessary draft capital and salary cap flexibility to finally pursue a franchise quarterback. The discussion also evaluates the arrival of Jared Verse and the accountability of general manager Andrew Berry. 01:50 - Myles Garrett Trade Analysis 05:15 - Garrett's Legacy in Cleveland 08:45 - Evaluating the Trade Return 12:45 - Salary Cap Future Window 18:40 - Organization's Long-Term Strategy 23:30 - Comparing Garrett and Verse 27:30 - Leadership and Team Culture 33:55 - Necessary but Not Positive 38:15 - Andrew Berry's Job Security 42:10 - Scouting Future Quarterback Options

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima react to the shocking trade of Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams and analyze Andrew Berry's lengthy statement. They discuss Denzel Ward's uncertain future in Cleveland and weigh the merits of starting Shedeur Sanders over Deshaun Watson as the team enters a rebuilding phase. The conversation also explores fan frustration with owner Jimmy Haslam and national news regarding Russell Wilson's retirement. 01:50 - Analyzing Garrett Trade Statements 05:14 - Denzel Ward's Future Status 08:44 - Garrett's Impact With Rams 12:25 - Pelissero and Guest Previews 17:12 - Watson Versus Sanders Debate 21:01 - Fan Outrage Toward Haslam 25:12 - Evaluating Five-Year Plan 33:34 - AJ Brown Trade Fallout 37:23 - Russell Wilson Joins CBS

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima analyze the blockbuster trade sending Myles Garrett to the Rams and what it means for the Browns' long-term future. NFL insider Tom Pelissero joins to break down the trade value and whether veterans like Denzel Ward are also on the move. They also react to Todd Monken's strong comments regarding quarterback Brendan Sorsby's character concerns. 01:50 - Fans React to Garrett Trade 05:02 - Todd Monken's QB Faith 08:46 - Supplemental Draft Auction Talk 13:37 - Tom Pelissero Trade Insight 21:00 - Rams' Strategy for Garrett 26:30 - Andrew Barry's Reset Plan 32:11 - Denzel Ward's Trade Future 36:50 - Facing The 2026 Reality

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima assess the massive fallout from the Myles Garrett trade and Jared Verse’s arrival on 92.3 The Fan. They analyze the impact of Garrett's legacy, compare defensive analytics, and debate Adam Schefter's knowledge of Ohio geography. The discussion also highlights the team's search for a franchise quarterback amidst the ongoing Deshaun Watson controversy. 02:50 - Evaluating trade return value 06:30 - Denzel Ward trade rumors 09:56 - Jared Verse leadership traits 13:05 - Ohio geography debate 17:50 - Myles Garrett's Cleveland legacy 22:10 - Predicting Garrett's MVP potential 26:15 - Garrett vs Verse analytics 32:15 - Team locker room culture 36:00 - Deshaun Watson trade fallout 39:25 - Andrew Barry presser preview

Ken and Lima take the final calls of the morning as the fan base slowly comes around on the trade, with a caller from Kentucky making the most clear-eyed point of the day: the Browns took a swing on Watson, it did not work, and at least they are trying. Ken agrees in principle but draws the line at forgiveness, saying the swords do not come down on the Watson trade until the day they make the playoffs, and not a moment before. The conversation turns to Andrew Berry's press conference in minutes and Ken lays out exactly what is at stake for him personally: if he gets fired at the end of this season before he gets to draft the quarterback, his entire legacy is the guy who traded for Deshaun Watson and traded away Myles Garrett, and second chances for fired GMs are not guaranteed. Ken closes the show with the stakes as clear as they have ever been: Berry needs to be here to finish what he started, because if he is not, the whole painful exercise was for nothing.

Ken and Lima spend the morning processing the trade from every angle and the mood slowly starts to lift, helped along by the analytics case for Verse being genuinely elite and a fun social media moment where Verse updates his bio to linebacker and immediately wins over the fan base. Ken makes the point that Verse's pass rush win rate numbers since 2024 rank third in the entire NFL behind only Micah Parsons and Myles Garrett, which means the Browns did not just get a compensatory pick in human form, they got a legitimate weapon. The locker room conversation comes up again with a caller making the case that Verse's self-made background from Albany to Florida State to the Rams suggests a guy who is going to bring exactly the accountability and dog mentality that Myles never consistently provided. Ken closes on the most honest note of the whole morning, describing the picture he took of his son Axel as a toddler in a Browns jersey during the Johnny Manziel era and saying the same thought that has haunted him ever since: they have got to get this quarterback thing right.

Ken and Lima take stock of how fan sentiment has shifted overnight on the Myles Garrett trade, with analytics people and national insiders calling it a good haul while Ken admits he was too emotionally close to see it clearly in the moment. The Jared Verse conversation gets more interesting as Ken points out something he did not account for initially: Verse is a self-made guy who started at Albany, transferred to Florida State, and brings exactly the locker room sheriff energy that Myles never provided, which could matter more than people realize once the quarterback eventually arrives. Ken also takes a gentle shot at Adam Schefter for tweeting that Verse is coming home to Cleveland when Dayton is genuinely closer to Cincinnati and Indianapolis than it is to Cleveland, and the whole segment turns into a fun geography lesson about how little national media understands Ohio. Ken closes exactly where he has been all morning: this is a necessary day, not a positive day, and the quarterback who will eventually make it all worth it is probably still waking up for college workouts right now.

Ken makes the logical case that trading Myles Garrett was an admission this season is cooked, and if that is true then the hard no on Denzel Ward makes absolutely zero sense because a 29-year-old corner with an injury history is not getting more valuable as the year goes on. Ken genuinely respects everything Denzel has given the organization and points out he is the best corner the Browns have had since 1999, but frames it the same way he eventually came around on the Myles trade: if you can get a second rounder and give him a chance to actually play meaningful football somewhere, that is the right move for everybody. The Joe Thomas comparison hangs over the whole conversation, with Ken admitting the Browns have a habit of keeping great players for their entire careers and then having to ask uncomfortable questions about why they could never get more out of them. Ken closes by saying he actually hopes Andrew Berry is lying when he says hard no on Denzel, because getting another 2027 pick while rewarding a loyal and drama-free player with a shot at the playoffs would be the smart move on every level.

NFL Network Insider Tom Pelissero provides an inside look at the blockbuster trade that sent Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for Jared Verse and a collection of draft picks. They break down the strategic shift for the Cleveland Browns as they embark on a long-term rebuild under general manager Andrew Barry. The discussion also touches on the future of the coaching staff and whether other veterans like Denzel Ward might be moved next. 01:07 - Myles Garrett Trade Details 06:41 - Rams Strategy And Reactions 10:27 - Browns Leadership And Rebuild 14:47 - Coaching And Roster Future

Ken and Lima dissect Todd Monken's surprisingly harsh public comments about Brendan Sorsby, with Lima making a genuinely wild but hard to dismiss point that no NFL head coach in recent memory has ever spoken that negatively about a potential draft pick, and wondering out loud whether Andrew Berry told him to say exactly that to scare off competition in the supplemental draft blind auction. The broader post-trade reality sets in as Ken admits he was completely wrong to think the Browns were trying to compete this year, arguing that trading Myles Garrett is the clearest possible signal that they have zero faith in their quarterback room and everything is pointed at 2027. Ken gives Todd Monken something close to a pass on wins and losses this season but draws the line at the offense, saying after two years of free agency spending, high draft capital, and an offensive head coach, scoring more than 16 points a game is the bare minimum expectation. Tom Pelissero is up next and Ken wants one answer above everything else: how long ago was this trade actually agreed to?

Ken Carman and Anthony Lima bring in producer John to analyze the Philadelphia Eagles' decision to trade A.J. Brown to the New England Patriots and the potential impact of his presence on Drake Maye. They debate whether Russell Wilson belongs in the Hall of Fame as he transitions to a broadcasting career with CBS Sports. Finally, they react to Carly Teller’s viral social media post regarding the Cleveland Browns.