The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

What if the data you're obsessing over is the very thing capping how far you can go? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Andy Walshe, the human performance leader behind Red Bull's high-performance program and the Felix Baumgartner stratosphere jump. They dig into why the metrics everyone chases can only take you so far, and why the traits that truly separate elite performers (character, creativity, how you show up when it's hard) are the ones almost no one is actually training. It's a look under the hood of what elite performance really requires when the stakes are highest. Here's what you'll learn: How character, not metrics, can be the real dividing line between good and elite How to train creativity as a skill instead of treating it as a gift you're born with What it takes to perform under extreme pressure when everything is on the line If you've been optimizing the measurable and ignoring the human, this is your wake-up call. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:40) From athlete to performance coach (00:03:31) Why Red Bull obsesses over performance (00:05:38) What makes elite performers special (00:07:18) Not everything can be measured (00:09:27) Training character and creativity (00:12:00) The Felix Baumgartner jump (00:20:32) Why the Enhanced Games flopped (00:23:12) Training under manufactured fear (00:27:05) The right dose of stress (00:30:00) What cold plunging really trains (00:32:09) No secrets: the 70-20-10 rule (00:36:55) The trait that predicts greatness (00:39:24) Do elite traits cross fields? (00:41:31) Ego, humility, and luck (00:45:47) What it means to be a game changer ---- Links Resources: Andy Walshe Liminal Collective Red Bull Stratos Felix Baumgartner Joe Kittinger Enhanced Games Australian Institute of Sport ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 461. Mastering Biological Fundamentals for Elite Performance with Dr. Kristen Holmes 338. Will Ahmed - From Stress to Success: Optimizing the Entrepreneurial Journey 298. Rich Diviney - The Fundamental Traits Navy SEALs Use to Excel

The advice you respect most might be the exact thing keeping your firm stuck. In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the hardest questions in growth: whose advice do you actually follow? Sparked by a listener stuck between her own instinct to get ahead of AI and a respected managing partner telling her to "let everyone else be the guinea pig," Michael breaks down why waiting out a technological shift is a decision you'll regret, why the source of advice matters as much as the content, and why doing great work means nothing if you don't market it. Here's what you'll learn: Why waiting on AI is a permanent competitive disadvantage rather than a safe hold How to tell when a mentor's advice fits your season and when it's holding you back What it takes to turn great work into the visibility that actually wins the best cases Your competitors aren't waiting for permission, and neither should you. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:07:18) The claw machine lesson (00:11:26) Q1: Should we wait on AI? (00:12:02) Early vs. late adopters (00:15:47) Growing or dying (00:17:27) Q2: A mentor says slow down (00:18:11) Right advice, wrong season (00:21:23) Why balance can cost you (00:23:54) Q3: The worst advice (00:25:50) Best cases go to marketers (00:27:43) You can't be hired in secret ---- Links & Resources: Apple Vision Pro Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 477. The Nitty Gritty of AI From an Attorney and AI Expert with Mike Brown 345. AMMA - The AI Advantage: What to Automate, What to Keep Human, and How to Stay Ahead 268. AMMA - Resilience in the Face of Uncertainty

You clawed your way to the top. So why does the fire that got you there feel like it's going out? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Tom Mitchell, the sports psychologist who spent 14 years with the Golden State Warriors and co-authored “The Winning Spirit” with NFL legend Joe Montana. They dig into how elite performers keep their edge long after the money and titles roll in, why the best leaders coach with questions instead of commands, and how one conversation can turn locker-room friction into championship chemistry. It's a masterclass in the mental game, built for the court and the boardroom alike. Here's what you'll learn: Why owning your strengths (not fixing your weaknesses) is what actually gets you paid How to have courageous conversations that eliminate partnership friction instead of letting it fester Why a relentless inner "burn" outlasts raw talent, and how to reignite it when a team gets comfortable Pressure is a privilege, and this episode will change how you carry it. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:23) Tom's Path to the Warriors (00:05:06) Discovering the Mental Edge (00:08:43) Courageous Conversations (00:12:43) Coaching vs. Advice Giving (00:15:00) The Question Behind the Question (00:17:49) What Joe Montana Taught Him (00:22:56) Non-Negotiable Standards (00:25:04) Five Principles of Greatness (00:30:58) Reigniting the Burn (00:33:03) Knicks vs. Spurs Breakdown (00:36:33) What Being a Game Changer Means ---- Links & Resources: The Winning Spirit: 16 Timeless Principles That Drive Performance Excellence by Joe Montana and Tom Mitchell Golden State Warriors Los Angeles Lakers Tom Mitchell Joe Montana Billie Jean King Phil Jackson Chris Mullin Mickey Hart Gregg Popovich Sugar Ray Leonard ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.

Why does hitting the goal so often kill the drive that got you there? In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three questions from law firm owners who all made it to the other side of success and found something missing. Michael offers advice beyond the usual "set a bigger goal" answer, getting into the mechanics of sustaining performance, why running at full throttle stops working as you scale, and knowing when the grind is actually the right move. Here's what you'll learn: How to rebuild drive when achieving the goal leaves you flat instead of fulfilled Why "simplify complexity" is the first move when growth outpaces your systems How to pace a team for consistent output instead of burning it out at full intensity If you've won the thing you set out to win and it feels quieter than you expected, this one recalibrates what comes next. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:40) Triathlon Race Recap (00:10:09) Post-Race Pop Up Bagels (00:14:12) Q1: Disconnected After a Big Win (00:15:33) Why Hitting the Goal Feels Empty (00:17:19) Q2: When Growth Outpaces Your Systems (00:20:03) Scaling From $5M to $16M in Three Months (00:21:33) Protect What the Client Feels (00:22:26) Q3: When Calm Is the Problem (00:25:20) Consistency Beats Intensity (00:27:16) Outro ---- Links & Resources: Ironman Growing Pains ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 446. AMMA - How to Know If Hard Work Is Worth It 431. Branding Secrets Your Firm Needs to Scale with Rory Vaden 403. AMMA - How To Scale Beyond Growth Basics

There are about to be two kinds of professionals: the ones who command AI, and the ones who get commanded by it. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Mike Brown, a personal injury attorney with zero coding background who taught himself to build with AI agents and then beat 15,000+ applicants to win Anthropic's 2026 Global Claude Code Hackathon. They dig into why so many lawyers are waiting for AI to mature while a small group is already compounding a serious advantage, and why the real dividing line has nothing to do with technical skill. It comes down to curiosity, discipline, and a willingness to be bad at something for one uncomfortable week. Here's what you'll learn: What "vibe coding" actually is and why you don't need to know how to code How to prevent hallucinations, protect client privilege, and actually trust the output you get What it takes to go from overwhelmed to automated with a three-week plan any firm owner can run The people pulling ahead with AI are not the technical ones. They are the curious ones. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:03:04) What vibe coding actually is (00:06:15) Why he bet on ChatGPT early (00:09:03) How the models evolved (00:14:29) Producers vs. consumers (00:15:48) Could AI run a whole firm? (00:19:39) Fixing the housing permit crisis (00:22:26) Will AI kill jobs or create them? (00:26:33) Robotics and the hardware layer (00:34:04) AI for health and longevity (00:43:16) Beating AI's confirmation bias (00:48:18) Wrap-Up ---- Links & Resources: Crossbeam Anthropic Boris Cherny Gary Tan Andrew Huberman ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 392. How One Startup Is Rewriting the Rules of PI Law with Ray Mieszaniec <a href="https://crisp.

Most firm owners think they have a strategy problem. What they actually have is a standards problem. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill take on three questions every growth-minded firm owner eventually faces: why a six-figure software implementation still isn't sticking, whether to make a major hire before everything feels "ready," and what to do when an org chart that hasn't changed in years stops fitting the business. Michael makes the case that waiting, outsourcing, and settling for "fine" are all the same problem wearing different clothes, and that the fix starts with owning the standard yourself. Here's what you'll learn: Why outsourcing leadership lets your standards slip, and how to pull them back How to tell the difference between being responsible and just procrastinating on a decision you've already made What it really takes to know whether your team and structure can carry you to the next level Stop waiting for the right time, the right hire, or the right consultant to save you: this episode is your push to own the standard yourself. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:47) What Michael's Reading & Watching (00:09:15) Q1: A Software Fix That Won't Stick (00:09:56) You've Outsourced Your Standards (00:12:14) Why Projects Never Ship (00:13:45) Q2: The Hire He Keeps Procrastinating (00:14:49) Waiting for Ideal Conditions (00:16:52) Q3: An Org Chart Frozen For Years (00:18:55) Why Scaling Demands a New Org (00:20:10) Would You Rehire Everyone? (00:20:47) Outro ---- Links & Resources: Earned by Chris Pronger Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinniman Widow's Bay Pantheon Ready Player One by Ernest Cline Tony Robbins ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more

What if loving something (your country, your work, your own self-image) actually requires being brutally honest about its flaws? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Dolly Chugh, social psychologist, behavioral scientist, and bestselling author, to unpack why our brains are wired for consistency instead of objectivity, and how guilt and shame can become engines for real growth. They get into the "psychology of good people," the trap of the flawless narrative, and what it takes to keep getting better instead of defending a story that no longer fits. It's a conversation about replacing brittle perfection with something far more durable. Here's what you'll learn: Why a "good person" is a fragile identity, and what to build instead How to give a real apology that actually resets the relationship What the "long time ago illusion" is, and how it distorts your judgment The version of yourself you're defending might be the thing holding you back. This one will make you rethink it. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:48) Becoming a psychologist (00:05:29) The psychology of good people (00:07:29) No one is good all the time (00:09:02) Canceling and growth (00:14:52) Home team bias (00:17:09) The gritty patriot (00:20:40) Guilt vs. shame (00:29:52) The "long time ago" illusion (00:35:32) What makes an apology work (00:36:53) George Takei's story (00:41:13) Being a game changer ---- Links & Resources: A More Just Future by Dr. Dolly Chugh Dr. Dolly Chugh Grit by Angela Duckworth The Power of Us by Jay Van Bavel and Dominic Packer Mindset by Carol Dweck Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents by Isabel Wilkerson George Takei Little House on the Prairie by Laura Ingalls Wilder Buffalo Soldier by Bob Marley ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ----

If your team has stopped challenging you, that’s not alignment, it’s a warning sign. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill unpack what really happens when decisiveness turns into dismissiveness. From ignored warnings and bad assumptions to ego-driven leadership and the cost of fake collaboration, Michael breaks down why strong leaders don’t just make decisions fast, they stay open to what they’re not seeing. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why decisiveness can become dangerous when you stop listening to the people closest to the work How to create a culture where your team brings you hard truths before problems explode What it takes to hold strong opinions without letting ego override better ideas and better data If you want better decisions, stop acting like your perspective is the only one that matters. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:03:55) Q1: Decisive without dismissive (00:04:31) Ego is the real blind spot (00:07:52) Q2: Don't train your team to be silent (00:09:09) Worry about what you can't see (00:09:48) Strong opinions, loosely held (00:12:56) Q3: When input is just theater (00:15:29) Give people a chance to fail (00:16:06) Why great ideas come from the team (00:17:57) Outro ---- Links & Resources: “Strong opinions, loosely held” (Paul Saffo) First principles thinking ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 433. Everything You Need To Know to Overhaul Your Firm’s Culture with Cy Wakeman 389. AMMA - Stop Fixing $5 Problems and Start Solving $1M Ones 158. Alex Hormozi - The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success

What if everything you believe about your brain inevitably slowing down with age is simply wrong, and you have far more control than you ever imagined? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with neuroscientist, performance coach, and self-described "elite-level professional nerd" Dr. Tommy Wood to dismantle the myth that cognitive decline is destiny. Drawing on his work treating brain injury, advising Formula 1 drivers, and his new book, “The Stimulated Mind,” Dr. Wood lays out a simple framework for keeping your brain sharp at any age, and explains why the small, daily inputs matter far more than you think. For high performers running hard and recovering little, this is the wake-up call your brain has been waiting for. Here's what you'll learn: Why your brain can adapt and improve at any age, and how your expectations alone can change the outcome How to apply the three-S model (stimulus, supply, support) to protect cognitive function for life What it takes to use AI as a tool that sharpens your skills instead of quietly eroding them Your brain is not on a fixed downward path, and this episode is your blueprint for proving it. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:27) Becoming a Neuroscientist (00:05:32) What Is a Healthy Brain? (00:07:56) Does Aging Slow You Down? (00:11:30) The 3-S Model for Brain Health (00:17:59) Shifting the Aging Mindset (00:22:40) The Minimum Effective Dose (00:28:16) Does AI Make You Dumber? (00:36:59) Learning Faster as an Adult (00:42:38) Why Your Brain Needs Connection (00:49:56) Inside the Minds of F1 Drivers (00:55:42) Where to Start (00:57:48) Being a Game Changer ---- Links & Resources: The Stimulated Mind: Future-Proof Your Brain from Dementia and Stay Sharp at Any Age by Tommy Wood Why Brains Need Friends by Ben Rein Hintsa Performance ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: <a href="

The work that drains you isn't a discipline problem. It's a sign you've been ignoring. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill dig into what happens when a firm owner's instincts no longer match what the business actually needs. Michael makes the case that the parts of the work you dread, the growth you can't seem to unlock, and the partner you keep clashing with are all pointing at the same thing: a truth about how you're built that you've been working around instead of working with. Here’s what you’ll learn: How to tell whether you're a visionary or an integrator, and why forcing yourself to be both will burn you out When optimizing a business that already works stops paying off, and what to do to actually grow it How to keep a partnership from breaking when you and your partner no longer share the same appetite for risk Stop white-knuckling the parts of your business that drain you and start building toward the version that doesn't. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:37) Family life & summer camp tales (00:07:49) Q1: Visionary or integrator? (00:11:53) Q2: Stuck at a revenue plateau (00:16:55) Q3: When partners stop aligning (00:21:30) Outro ---- Links & Resources: Rocket Fuel by Gino Wickman Walt Disney Roy Disney Deadliest Catch ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 452. AMMA - The Unexpected Truth About Happiness, Work Ethic, and Priorities 325. AMMA - Pressure, Priorities, and Progress: Mastering the Price of Success 47. Jessica Mogill - A Transformational Partnership: How Opposites Attract

Most people spend twenty years climbing a mountain, reach the top, and realize they never wanted the view. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Robert Glazer to break down why core values are the most underused tool in leadership. They get into where your values actually come from, why you can't coach them into the people you hire, and why most leaders are measuring their teams with the wrong scorecard entirely. If you've ever hit a milestone and felt nothing, this conversation explains why, and what to do about it. Here's what you'll learn: Why your core values were set early in life, and what it costs you to lead without knowing them How to hire for the values people actually live instead of the ones they perform in interviews What separates a real company core value from a poster on the wall nobody believes in The view from the top is only worth it if you picked the right mountain to climb. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:06:07) Where core values come from (00:07:11) Can your values change? (00:09:00) The car-in-a-tunnel analogy (00:11:35) Personal vs. company values (00:16:59) The big three life decisions (00:19:17) Why knowing isn't doing (00:21:25) The four capacities (00:27:36) Money, happiness, and “enough” (00:32:12) Biggest leadership mistakes (00:34:01) Spotting leadership potential (00:38:53) Rethinking the two-week notice (00:43:16) How success gets redefined (00:44:09) What it means to be a game changer ---- Links & Resources: The Compass Within by Robert Glazer Elevate by Robert Glazer The Go-Giver by Bob Burg Arthur Brooks Morgan Housel Traction by Gino Wickman ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, an

The most valuable thing you can build into your firm is its ability to run without you. In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer the questions most firm owners put off until it's too late. When should you really start succession planning? How do you pick a successor without letting loyalty override the right call? And how do you build something worth more than the income it generates while you're in it? Michael makes the case that a firm dependent on its owner is a firm that's quietly losing value, and he lays out what it takes to change that. Plus, he kicks things off with his favorite recent movies, shows, and books. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why succession planning should start at least five years out, and what happens when you wait until your back's against the wall How to separate the discomfort of a hard conversation from the decision that's actually right for the business What it takes to turn your firm into an asset that grows whether or not you show up If something happened to you tomorrow, would your firm survive without you? Build like the answer needs to be yes. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:48) Michael's Favorite Things (00:05:36) Books Worth Reading (00:10:07) How Early to Plan Succession (00:14:25) Loyalty vs. The Right Successor (00:18:38) Building a Firm Beyond Income (00:23:42) Outro ---- Links & Resources: Togo Altered Carbon Spider-Man Noir The Penguin Godzilla Minus One King Kong (2005) Fallout Not Just a Goof Thinking in Bets by Annie Duke Everything You Want Is on the Other Side of Hard by Ken Rideout Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong by Andy Glaze The Power of the Dog by Don Winslow The Cartel by Don Winslow <a href="ht

What if the same thing that nearly destroyed you is the reason you become unstoppable? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ken Rideout, world champion marathoner, former Wall Street trader, and recovering addict whose life reads like a story most people wouldn't believe. From a rough, blue-collar upbringing in Massachusetts to winning an ultramarathon across the Gobi Desert, Ken's path has been anything but linear. This conversation digs into how grit actually gets built, why money never filled the void he expected it to, and what it takes to bet on yourself when everyone around you says you can't. Here's what you'll learn: Why toughness isn't something you're born with, and how you can teach it to yourself Why money won't make you happier, even after going from broke to wealthy What it takes to turn a failure into the fire that drives everything after Ken built his comeback one decision at a time, and this episode shows you how to do the same. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:19) Why Ken wrote the memoir (00:04:33) A rough upbringing (00:07:49) Is hustle born or built? (00:09:23) The road to Wall Street (00:14:47) Money, watches, and insecurity (00:16:10) How addiction took hold (00:17:24) The constant struggle to stay sober (00:19:37) Why high achievers are wired differently (00:22:03) Finding endurance sports (00:24:24) Quitting the Ironman World Championships (00:32:10) The race across the Gobi Desert (00:39:15) How he defines success now (00:47:33) What it means to be a game changer ---- Links & Resources: Ken Rideout Everything You Want Is on the Other Side of Hard by Ken Rideout David Goggins Mitchell Hooper Darren Waller Mat Fraser Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer Elon Musk Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast

The anger that fuels growth can become the thing that slows it down. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that reveal a pattern hiding beneath the surface of almost every high-achieving firm owner: the chip on the shoulder that fueled the climb is still there, long after the summit. From dark energy and manufactured adversity to betrayal, forgiveness, and the stories we carry from past partnerships, this episode unpacks how to evolve your fuel source without losing your edge. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why the dark energy that drives early success has a shelf life, and how to shift to a fuel source that doesn’t cost you the people around you How to stop carrying past betrayal into your current relationships and reset your default to trust before it’s broken Why rewriting the story of a painful falling out, through forgiveness and gratitude, is the move that actually sets you free You’ve already proven you can build something. This episode is about deciding who you’re going to be while you keep going. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:06:46) Why No Friction Equals Unhappiness (00:08:37) Q1: When Anger Stops Fueling You (00:10:52) Letting Go of Proving Others Wrong (00:13:15) Q2: Carrying Past Betrayal Forward (00:19:25) Forgiveness Is for You, Not Them (00:20:10) Q3: When the Past Still Lingers (00:26:51) Choosing Friction Over Comfort ---- Links & Resources: The Infinite Game by Simon Sinek John Morgan Mike Tyson ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 407. AMMA - Why Playing It Safe Is the Most Dangerous Strategy 381. AMMA - The Hardest Mindset Shift for Law Firm Owners to Make 229. David Goggins - Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and

Elite performance does not come from chasing more hacks. It comes from knowing what matters, cutting what does not, and executing when conditions are not perfect. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Andy Galpin to break down what separates truly high performers from everyone else. From toughness and self-talk to sleep, strength training, and resilience, Dr. Galpin explains why better performance starts with fewer distractions and better constraints. Here's what you'll learn: Why toughness means producing even when the conditions are working against you How to identify the real constraints holding back your energy, focus, and performance What it takes to build resilience through sleep, strength training, and smarter recovery Stop chasing every new protocol. The people who perform at the highest level focus on what actually moves the needle. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:22) What elite performers do differently (00:06:09) Mental toughness and self-talk (00:15:38) Why adaptability beats optimization (00:21:59) What resilience actually means (00:29:19) Why most people fail to improve (00:32:27) Strength training and longevity (00:44:16) Health trends and wasted effort ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Andy Galpin Perform with Dr. Andy Galpin Rick Rubin Methylene blue VO2 max Zone 2 training Hyperbaric oxygen therapy Red light therapy ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 461

Your edge is not how hard you push. It is how fast you recover, reset, and get back on track. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down the difference between discipline and rigidity, burnout and misallocated energy, and rest and weakness. From missed workouts and cheat meals to draining team members and recovery as a competitive advantage, this AMMA is a blunt reminder that high performance is not about being perfect. It is about knowing what costs you energy, what restores it, and what you refuse to tolerate. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why getting off track only matters if you cannot get back on track How to identify the work, people, and habits that drain your energy What it takes to make recovery a competitive advantage instead of a guilty pleasure You do not need to be perfect to stay disciplined. You just need the discipline to come back stronger the next day. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:42) Discipline vs. Enjoying Life (00:05:05) Why One Bad Day Changes Nothing (00:05:32) Getting Back on Track Matters (00:10:05) Q1: Burnout Without Overwork (00:16:18) Q2: Is Recovery an Advantage? (00:22:02) Q3: High Performers Who Drain You ---- Links & Resources: Atlas Restaurant The Garden Room Michelin Guide ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 461. Mastering Biological Fundamentals for Elite Performance with Dr. Kristen Holmes 430. AMMA - What Separates The Pros From The Rest 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus

The only way to build the next big thing is to stop trying to copy the last one. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with David Vonderhaar, studio lead at BulletFarm and former studio design director for the Call of Duty franchise, to unpack what it really takes to innovate in a world obsessed with replication. From navigating harsh feedback from passionate audiences to building a studio from the ground up after two decades inside a billion-dollar franchise, David shares the mindset, courage, and conviction required to do things on your own terms. This is a conversation about originality, resilience, and the cost of choosing the harder path. Here's what you'll learn: Why true breakthroughs come from being original, not from copying what's already working How to keep teams engaged under pressure without burning them out What it takes to bet on yourself when walking away from a sure thing If you want to build something that lasts, you have to be willing to build it before anyone else believes in it. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:28) Two Decades at Treyarch (00:03:56) Why He Didn't Retire (00:05:49) Origins in the Arcade (00:10:16) Joining the Call of Duty Machine (00:12:07) The Yearly Release Pressure (00:18:43) Navigating a Toxic Community (00:21:12) The End of the Public-Facing Dev (00:26:57) What Made Call of Duty Iconic (00:28:54) When a Game Loses Its Soul (00:30:27) The Business Broke the Industry (00:36:59) Redefining What AAA Means (00:38:45) What Success Looks Like Now (00:41:59) Building the Right Team ---- Links & Resources: BulletFarm NetEase Games Activision Treyarch Infinity Ward Sledgehammer Games Raven Software Call of Duty X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse Dungeons & Dragons ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changin

At what point does believing in someone's potential stop being leadership and start being a liability? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions about one of the hardest tensions in leadership: the gap between what you see in your people and what they actually deliver. They walk through how to handle a high-talent, low-output team member, how to recognize when a long-tenured leader has plateaued, and whether the popular idea of "unlimited potential" actually holds up. Believing in your team is valuable, but does it replace standards and results? Here’s what you’ll learn: Why potential without performance becomes a liability, and how to set objective criteria before emotion drives the decision How to know when a team member has hit their ceiling and what to do about it without losing empathy Why "unlimited potential" is a myth, and what a leader can actually be responsible for You can want it for them all day long. If they don't want it for themselves, nothing you do will matter. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:04:12) Earning the Right to Live a Little (00:05:37) Q1: Talent vs. Output (00:08:32) Potential Is Secondary to Performance (00:09:47) The Outside-In Perspective Test (00:10:50) Q2: Has He Hit His Ceiling? (00:11:35) What Got You Here Won't Get You There (00:14:24) Ceilings Aren't Failures (00:15:23) Q3: Does Everyone Have Unlimited Potential? (00:17:03) A Leader Removes Barriers (00:20:48) Closing ---- Links & Resources: No Rules Rules by Reed Hastings and Erin Meyer DreamHack Atlanta LeBron James Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant Gordon Ramsay ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/pod

The fastest way to destroy a great firm is to let standards slip while you scale. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sam Pond, founder and managing partner of Pond Lehocky Giordano, to break down what it really takes to build a high-performing law firm without losing what made it great in the first place. From leadership under pressure to culture enforcement, delegation, data, and the real ROI of team retreats, this conversation is a masterclass in scaling without becoming bureaucratic. Here's what you'll learn: Why “take care of the client and everything else will take care of itself” is the only scalable North Star How to build a culture that holds under pressure (and what to do the moment you see slippage) What it takes to run a real executive structure, delegate at scale, and still deliver exceptional service The firms that win next are the ones that scale without surrendering what made them great. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:10) Welcome and origin story (00:04:33) Early hustle and entrepreneurship (00:05:59) From adversaries to partners (00:09:18) Mission first, money second (00:11:34) Scaling quality with teams (00:16:13) Retreats, culture, and ROI (00:20:15) Growth metrics and reinvestment (00:24:04) C-suite structure and ops scale (00:28:07) Marketing channels that convert (00:33:20) Adversity, COVID, leadership (00:41:45) Worry, mindset, and perspective (00:44:58) Marriage and shared values (00:46:41) What Sam is most proud of (00:49:42) Closing ---- Links & Resources: Pond Lehocky Giordano John Morgan Jamie Dimon Eagles Autism Foundation Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like:

Your firm does not change when you learn more. It changes when you actually execute. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill call out the pattern behind "staying motivated" while making zero real change, then lay out how to turn insights into traction. From a simple hourly discipline habit to a blunt breakdown of filtering advice and finding the right seat, this episode reinforces a core truth about performance: standards are built through action, not consumption. If you have been collecting frameworks while avoiding implementation, this will reset your focus. Here's what you'll learn: Why collecting information can feel productive while actually keeping you stuck, and how to break the pattern. How to filter contradictory advice so you stop second-guessing and start making clean decisions. What it takes to choose the right seat in business so you stop forcing a role that creates constant friction. Want the results? Then start moving like the person who earns them. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:56) A habit that builds discipline (00:05:27) The hidden cost of sitting (00:09:00) Q1: When learning is avoidance (00:09:42) Motivation can be procrastination (00:10:27) Knowledge needs execution (00:13:54) Q2: When smart advice conflicts (00:16:49) Choose mentors by outcomes (00:20:32) Q3: The truth about entrepreneurship (00:23:44) The power of the #2 seat (00:28:10) The right seat should feel obvious (00:28:48) Wrap Up Links & Resources: Bryan Johnson Mark Manson Nike "Just Do It" Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 251. Alex Hormozi - The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success 203. AMMA - How to Know If You Are NOT Cut Out for Entrepreneurship 10. Gino Wickman - Entrepreneurship. Is it in your

Elite performance is not a personality trait. It is biology, managed intentionally. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Kristen Holmes, Global Head of Human Performance at WHOOP, to talk about what health tracking should actually do for you. They break down how to use wearable data without getting trapped in day-to-day noise, why sleep consistency beats chasing perfect sleep duration, and how recovery drives the capacity you need for clear thinking, stable energy, and better decisions. If you want the upside of high output without the crash that usually follows, this conversation gives you the framework. Here's what you'll learn: How to read your data in a way that supports better decisions, not more second-guessing What a strong baseline looks like across HRV, resting heart rate, respiratory rate, and VO2 max A simple starting point to stabilize sleep and recovery before you chase optimization If you want to perform like an outlier, start living like your biology matters. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:22) Wearables, Data, and Anxiety (00:05:47) HRV, CV, and Adaptation (00:09:55) VO2 Max and "Hard to Die" (00:14:50) LeBron Rules Apply to Everyone (00:16:56) Sleep Consistency Beats Duration (00:20:32) Sleep Debt and "Social Jet Lag" (00:23:01) Why Deep Sleep and REM Matter (00:25:26) Light Diet and Circadian Alignment (00:28:55) Why "Recovery" Isn't the Couch (00:29:39) Capacity, Stress, and Survival (00:32:37) Train Heart and Build Muscle (00:34:49) Heart Rate and Decision Quality (00:41:36) Wearables vs Drinking (00:43:22) The 80/20 Life and Your "Why" (00:47:24) Purpose, Autonomy, Connection (00:51:41) Building Team Capacity at Work (01:02:18) "Aligned": What the Book Covers (01:06:00) Closing ---- Links & Resources: WHOOP Heart rate variability (HRV) Respiratory rate VO2 max Peter Drucker Dr. Russell Foster's TED Talk Rory McIlroy Scott Galloway "Aligned" by Kristen Holmes<

If your top performers are walking out the door and you never saw it coming, the problem isn't them. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point back to the same problem: what you are not seeing is shaping your outcomes. They talk through why high performers often leave without giving real feedback, how to approach self-awareness without getting lost in endless "work on yourself" loops, and what promotions look like in a results-driven environment. Here's what you'll learn: Why employees often avoid direct feedback on leadership issues, and how to reduce regrettable turnover How to spot patterns in your behavior through journaling, weekly reviews, and trusted outside feedback Why promotions follow measurable output, not visibility and long hours, and how to become undeniable If you want better outcomes, take a hard look at the habits and assumptions you treat as normal. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:00) "Back of the Pack" Mindset (00:08:29) You Can't Judge a Book by Cover (00:11:59) Q1: They Left, But Won't Say Why (00:14:17) High Standards vs Being Abrasive (00:18:00) Q2: Finding What You Can't See (00:18:50) Weekly Reviews Expose Patterns (00:22:16) Q3: Passed Over, Now What? (00:24:45) Hours Don't Matter, Output Does (00:26:30) Become Undeniable Links & Resources: Kyle Pease Foundation Kristian Blummenfelt Mat Fraser Shohei Ohtani Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 446. AMMA - How to Know If Hard Work Is Worth It 325. AMMA - Pressure, Priorities, and Progress: Mastering the Price of Success 63. Mat Fraser - The Fittest Man on Earth

If you keep waiting to "feel motivated," you will keep losing to friction, bad habits, and the identity you keep reinforcing. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Craig Ballantyne, widely known for being "the world's most disciplined man." He didn't get there through sheer intensity or some superhuman routine, but instead by turning discipline into a repeatable system. Together, they break down why "discipline" means something different for everyone, why subtracting friction beats adding effort, and how identity and self-talk determine your consistency. This conversation is a practical blueprint for building standards that hold up even when life gets busy. Here's what you'll learn: Why discipline starts with a clear definition of success, not generic "work harder" goals How to subtract obstacles (environments, people, distance, temptations) so consistency becomes the default What it takes to shift your identity and self-talk so your habits become almost automatic Stop trying to win with willpower. Actually achieve your goals with systems. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:36) Being the "World's Most Disciplined Man" (00:03:56) Define discipline for yourself (00:05:39) Subtract friction to win (00:08:02) Identity and self-talk (00:11:50) Public accountability hack (00:13:51) Anxiety and turning it around (00:19:18) The Perfect Day Formula (00:23:53) Dark side of Discipline (00:28:27) Get back on track fast (00:32:40) Why Craig coaches others (00:36:40) Who changes vs who doesn't (00:39:01) Win in business, lose in life (00:44:06) Values-first planning filter (00:49:01) What being a "game changer" means (00:50:03) Closing Links & Resources: Craig Ballantyne The Perfect Day Formula by Craig Ballantyne The Dark Side of Discipline by Craig Ballantyne David Goggins Charlie Munger Falling Down (1993) Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin The Da Vinci Code (2006) What Got You Here Won't Get You There by Marshall Goldsmith Learn what sustainable growth can look l

What happens when the drive that built your firm starts costing you the life you wanted it to support? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three questions from firm owners who built real success but then realized the business was taking a toll on their health, marriage, and personal lives. Michael Mogill shares how he thinks about separating who you are from what you run, how to stay demanding without becoming unapproachable, and how to stay motivated when the old underdog story stops working. Here's what you'll learn: How to rethink "starting over" when the business is consuming your time and attention How to keep high standards while creating a culture where your team is not afraid to challenge you How to find a new source of drive when you have already achieved what used to motivate you If you want a business that supports your life, you have to build it so it does not require you for everything. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:21) Where to Find the Psychos at 6 AM (00:04:40) When Did You Last Jump Or Sprint? (00:05:24) Van Damme Volvo Commercial (00:07:13) Why Hard Things Build Confidence (00:08:54) Q1: Who Am I Without My Firm? (00:12:42) What Do You Actually Want Now? (00:14:12) Q2: Intense… Or Intimidating? (00:18:06) Why Vulnerability Builds Trust (00:19:19) Q3: Losing Underdog Status (00:21:29) The “Infinite Game” Mindset (00:23:25) Rapid-Fire Wrap Links & Resources: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs "The Epic Split" Rocky III Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 434. AMMA - Unconditional Love and Other Business Disasters 423. AMMA - How to Actually Scale Your Standards 383. AMMA - Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Your Law Firm

What separates the firms that scale cleanly from the ones that stay stuck in chaos, even with a great reputation? In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kayla Grayson and Michael Beckman of Viles they're struggling because the business behind the cases cannot keep up. This episode is a look at the discipline, standards, and leadership decisions that make growth possible from firm owners who have been there themselves. Here's what you'll learn: How to improve client communication and experience to create real value (and prevent case leakage) How to use AI to accelerate case resolution while maintaining the human touch that clients expect What it means to move from trial lawyer to true business owner and leader Exceptional client experience doesn't happen by accident. This episode reveals the systems, standards, and strategic decisions that deliver excellence every single time. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:03:04) Groth: immigrant kid to founder (00:07:05) Early days: taking every call himself (00:18:38) From peacekeeper to leader (00:27:46) Normal is unacceptable (00:29:36) Beckman and Grayson on "the five-star brand" (00:33:03) Culture after losing a partner (00:42:17) Competing with Amazon-level service (00:49:16) Break the mold, build your vision (00:51:34) AI removes busywork (00:57:08) Greening: brand without gimmicks (00:58:23) The stop at 16 that led him to law (01:01:11) Engineering edge in court (01:16:18) Hire to win, not to be right (01:23:34) Jami: COVID decision to scale (01:26:53) Six-month hiring funnel (01:34:57) Community impact that sticks (01:42:35) Success: more time with her daughters Links & Resources: Groth & Associates The Toledo Mud Hens Scopes Monkey Trial Viles & Beckman Oliver Law Office The Greening Law Group Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more

What if the reason problems keep reaching you at DEFCON 1 is not your team's competence, but your rules of engagement? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill respond to three questions that hit a nerve with many firm owners: why problems keep getting escalated late, why team performance can feel inconsistent from week to week, and why meetings sometimes turn into silence instead of collaboration. This conversation is about the leadership signals you may be sending without realizing it, and how small adjustments can change the way your team communicates, performs, and contributes. Here's what you'll learn: How to define escalation criteria so you hear about the right issues earlier, without becoming the bottleneck Why emotional consistency from leadership affects performance more than motivation does A simple way to structure meetings so every person contributes, not just the most outspoken If you want a team that operates with urgency and ownership (without waiting for a crisis), this is your playbook. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:46) Respect for the Work Behind Success (00:04:34) One Year to Become Competent, Decades to Become Elite (00:08:41) Q1: Why You Hear About Problems Too Late (00:10:32) Define Escalation Criteria (Rules of Engagement) (00:11:38) Q2: Inconsistent Team Performance and Emotional Leadership (00:12:40) "Monday Mogill" and Leadership Whiplash (00:12:50) Composure, Judgment, and Not Carrying Stress Forward (00:17:48) Breathwork and Not Making Decisions While Reactive (00:19:08) Q3: Why Meetings Get Blank Stares (00:22:12) Invite Pushback (00:22:25) Wrap Up Links & Resources: 'Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong' Andy Glaze Jocko Willink Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 455. From Addict to UltraRunner: The Ultimate Redemption Arc with Andy Glaze 375. AMMA - Stop Being The Bottleneck: Lead Your Firm Without Being N

What if the fastest way to build mental toughness is to choose the hard thing on purpose? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Andy Glaze. Andy is an ultrarunner, firefighter, and author of Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong. He’s built a following by documenting what it really takes to keep moving when your body and brain are begging you to quit. Together, they break down why high performers chase extreme challenges, what ultramarathons reveal about failure and resilience, and how to apply those lessons to leadership, business, and life. Here's what you'll learn: Why high performers deliberately seek challenges with a real chance of failure, and how that mirrors entrepreneurship. How to build durability through “time on your feet” and zone 2 discipline, instead of relying on intensity and motivation. Why learning to reframe pain, setbacks, and criticism is a competitive advantage in business and in life. If you’ve been waiting to feel ready before you take your next big leap, this episode will challenge that mindset. ---- Show Notes: (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:34) How Andy's 100-mile runs changed Michael's view of limits (00:03:18) How Andy got into ultrarunning in his 30s (00:05:20) Why runners go beyond the marathon (00:07:01) Why ultrarunners are wired like high performers (00:09:46) What a 200+ mile race actually feels like (00:23:50) The link between addiction and endurance sports (00:29:51) How Andy handles online hate (00:33:17) Why DNF matters (00:39:08) The real cost of chasing big goals (00:47:35) How Andy defines success ---- Links & Resources: Andy Glaze Andy Glaze on Instagram Andy Glaze on TikTok Smile, or You’re Doing it Wrong by Andy Glaze Moab 240 Western States Endurance Run 100-Mile Ketone IQ ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this e

Money issues at work rarely stay just about money, and the way you respond sets the standard for everything that follows. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three money-related questions that even experienced leaders can struggle with. They unpack how to support an employee who is struggling financially without becoming a long-term solution to a personal problem. Michael also shares how to think about investing in your team and operations when your instinct is to stay frugal, plus how to respond when a strong performer keeps pushing for raises. Here's what you'll learn: Why solving an employee’s money problems for them can backfire, and what support to offer instead How to invest in your team without compromising long-term stability, payroll confidence, or future growth How to handle “market rate” raises pressure by creating milestone-based compensation paths and explaining the economics clearly If money is creating tension in your firm, this episode gives you a clearer way to lead. ---- 02:15 - Michael and Jessica kick things off with a quick reminder that leadership is often about doing the work you do not feel like doing. 04:19 - The episode gets into a leadership dilemma that sounds compassionate on paper, but can turn into a long-term expectation. 09:09 - The conversation shifts to the psychology of spending, and how your upbringing can shape what you perceive as “responsible” investing. 11:40 - They draw a clear line between foundational investments that change quality of life and “nice-to-haves” that only look impressive. 14:19 - The episode closes with a framework for compensation conversations that replaces arguing about “market rate” with transparency, milestones, and economics. 18:09 - Michael explains why a clear “no” lands differently when it comes with real business economics, not just authority. ---- Links & Resources: Bill Gates Vince McMahon Dwayne Johnson Triple H ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chr

If you want justice to change, you cannot treat equality like a slogan. You have to fight for it like it is personal. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ben Crump, renowned civil rights attorney and founder of Ben Crump Law, to unpack what it really means to pursue equality inside a system shaped by power, precedent, and bias. Ben explains why progress is often incremental, why the biggest injustice is not always what makes the news, and why lawyers have a responsibility to speak truth to power even when it is unpopular. This conversation is a reminder that influence is only valuable when you use it to protect people who do not have any. Here's what you'll learn: Why racism and discrimination in America are rooted in economics, and how that shapes the fight for justice today How to handle death threats, public attacks, and the personal cost of taking on high-profile civil rights cases What it means to use your legal education to speak truth to power, even when it's controversial, unpopular, or dangerous If you have a legal education, you have a responsibility to make the world a better place. This episode will remind you why. ---- Show Notes: 02:53 — Ben explains the sacrifice behind the work, and why it feels like the news never stops giving him another family to serve. 03:55 — Ben talks about “incremental progress,” why change never happens overnight, and why cases like George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery still matter as proof that accountability is possible. 05:39 — Michael asks where the real problem begins; Ben says it starts with whether people truly believe the Declaration of Independence, then explains how he tests that belief in jury selection. 11:53 — Ben shares how he stays optimistic, first through his own upbringing and family, then through a surprising source: what law school taught him about “precedent.” 16:42 — Ben tells the story of his mother and grandmother, the power of education, and how Brown v. Board and Thurgood Marshall shaped his mission when he was only nine years old. 21:20 — Michael brings up the backlash and threats; Ben explains why he accepts the risk, what “influence” is for, and why speaking truth to power is part of the job. 25:50 — Ben gives a practical answer to “But what can I do?” in the face of injustice 29:13 — Ben reflects on being a “rent lawyer,” and why the small cases and hard seasons are what sharpen the skills you will rely on later. ---- Links & Resources: Ben Crump Law Civil: Ben Crump (Netflix Documentary) Thurgood Marshall Frederick Douglass Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. <u

A great culture means nothing if your business isn’t winning. And being busy doesn’t mean you’re effective. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three questions that expose tensions most firm owners feel but rarely address head-on. The first reveals how prioritizing happiness over performance can quietly cap your growth, the second explores the guilt that comes when success requires less hustle than you think it should, and the third shows what happens when partnership paralysis becomes more comfortable than forward movement. This conversation unpacks the difference between a strong culture and a stagnant one, why working fewer hours might mean you built something right, and why being right matters far less than being willing to move. Here's what you'll learn: Why a culture where everyone gets along can still be the wrong culture for scaling, and how to tell the difference How to shift from the time-and-effort economy to the results-and-judgment economy as your firm matures Why partnership gridlock reveals misalignment on something deeper than the decision itself If your firm feels stuck, scattered, or slower than it should be, this episode will help you identify what’s really holding you back. ---- 03:00 — Why the best decisions often come from saying yes to the experience, not the timing 06:22 — When a “great culture” starts quietly holding your business back 06:42 — The uncomfortable truth about why you can’t control your team’s happiness 08:09 — Why winning is the foundation of every truly strong culture 10:37 — What it really means when your business improves as you work less 12:11 — Why letting go of hours worked is necessary to actually scale 15:13 — Why being “right” matters less than simply moving forward 17:00 — The real cost of being stuck in indecision with a business partner ---- Links & Resources: Death Stranding Hideo Kojima Ratatouille ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Green

What separates the firms that scale from the ones that stay stuck? In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with the four Firm of the Year winners from the 2025 Game Changers Summit. Laura dePaz Cabrera of dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law, Koro Khamo of Khamo Law, John Richmond of Richmond Vona, and David Meyer of Meyer Wilson Werning each share what it really takes to build a firm that grows without burning you out in the process. From learning to let go of control to betting the farm on the right technology, this episode reveals the mindset shifts and strategic decisions that turned their practices into powerhouses. Here's what you'll learn: Why staying small is often the riskiest decision you can make, and how scaling protects your future How to build systems that run without you, so your firm can thrive even when you're not in the room Why culture is non-negotiable at every stage If you want to build a firm that scales, this episode will show you what some of the best in the business actually did to get there. ---- Show Notes: 5:14 — Laura DePaz Cabrera on building a human-centered immigration practice 16:08 — Why the outcome must always be tempered by the human impact 19:01 — Laura describes the culture of relentless pursuit of excellence 27:35 — Koro Khamo on scaling from startup to Premier Firm of the Year 40:26 — How Koro uses 11-year forecasting and AI to drive growth 44:29 — Why staying in place means falling behind in today's market 49:42 — The overpaid employee trap: why solos need to think bigger 54:09 — John Richmond on scaling from two people to 50+ in six years 1:06:24 — How leadership evolves as you scale from six to eight figures 1:07:41 — Defending culture at all costs, even when it means losing high performers 1:14:49 — Richmond Vona's approach to AI integration and change management 1:16:22 — David Meyer on transforming from chaos to intentional growth 1:24:25 — The catalyst that shifted Meyer Wilson from technical mastery to business excellence 1:32:25 — How David learned to let go and trust his leadership team 1:36:50 — Training for an Ironman as proof of a self-managing firm ---- Links & Resources: dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law Khamo Law Richmond Vona Meyer Wilson Werning <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexa

The people you surround yourself with either push you forward or quietly hold you back. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point to the same tension: leaders who've scaled past seven figures often struggle to recalibrate the people they listen to, the way they make decisions, and the balance between intuition and expertise. This conversation reveals what happens when your growth outpaces your circle and how to fix it before it stalls your momentum. Here's what you'll learn: How to recognize when you've outgrown your peer group and what to do about it Why seeking too much input creates paralysis instead of clarity When to trust your instincts as a founder versus when to defer to expert advice If you want to scale without stalling, this episode will show you where the friction is coming from and how to fix it. ---- 01:52 — Michael explains why being in shape with kids is one of the biggest flexes as an adult 05:55 — Jessica reveals her new hobby that has taken over the kitchen 09:55 — How to manage people who are more experienced in their domain without just deferring to everything they say 12:40 — The game tape method: why reviewing the thought process behind decisions is the fastest way to improve leadership 14:02 — Why asking more people for advice often leads to more confusion instead of clarity 15:12 — What separates great leaders: the ability to decide and act despite uncertainty 17:54 — Why CFOs aren’t CEOs, and what that reveals about the role of financial expertise in growth decisions ---- Links & Resources: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire Resident Evil Requiem Call of Duty ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 428. AMMA — What To Do When You Outgrow Your Cir

Most negotiators spend years perfecting their argument. Chris Voss spent his career learning how to make the other side feel heard. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Chris Voss, former FBI lead international kidnapping negotiator, CEO of The Black Swan Group, and bestselling author of Never Split the Difference. With decades of high-stakes experience negotiating with criminals, terrorists, and executives alike, Chris challenges what most attorneys think they know about winning and explains why the collaborative negotiator almost always beats the combative one. Here's what you'll learn: Why "win-win" is one of the clearest signals that someone is about to take advantage of you Why pushing back only when it's justified builds more credibility than fighting every point Why negotiation is a perishable skill and what small-stakes daily practice actually looks like for someone who does this at the highest level Getting better at negotiation doesn't start with your next big case. It starts with the next conversation you have. ---- Show Notes: 2:32 — Since his first appearance on the podcast, Chris has been busy: a documentary, a book on empathy, and a bourbon brand built around dealmaking. 5:11 — Michael asks Chris to draw the line between how negotiation is portrayed on TV versus what effective negotiation actually looks like in practice, particularly for attorneys. 5:32 — Chris tells the story of a lawyer who trained under him as an FBI intern, became a practicing attorney, and out-earned every associate at his firm by refusing to be combative. 10:06 — Chris explains why a combative approach neurochemically triggers defensiveness in the other party, lengthening deals and eroding trust over time. 23:18 — Chris defines tactical empathy and cognitive empathy, explains why sociopaths are paradoxically the best at reading others, and describes how neuroscience backs the collaborative approach. 32:13 — Michael and Chris discuss negotiating in a digital world, why most people communicate too much at once, and why in-person interaction remains irreplaceable for building real relationships. 36:32 — Negotiation is a perishable skill. Chris shares how Tiger Woods approached practice and explains how he stays sharp by reading strangers in low-stakes everyday moments. 39:39 — Chris compares Patrick Mahomes and Kirk Cousins to illustrate the difference between ambition and perfectionism, and what that means for how people handle losing. 45:56 — Michael and Chris dig into what it actually takes to maintain a competitive edge over time ---- Links & Resources: <a href="http

Most firm owners are more uncertain than they let on. The ones performing at the highest level just have better frameworks to keep moving forward anyway. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill field three listener questions that circle the same uncomfortable admission: most firm owners are less certain than they look, and the people watching them aren't sure what to make of it. Michael gets into what it actually means to build a firm worth owning, how to read whether a firm is succeeding on skill or circumstance, and what it really takes to step out of someone else's shadow and lead on your own terms. Here's what you'll learn: Why feeling like you're winging it is not a sign something is wrong, and what success as a firm owner actually requires How to tell the difference between a firm owner making skilled decisions and one who has just been lucky Why the best leadership style is the one that produces results, regardless of what it looks like from the outside These questions come up privately all the time. This episode is where they finally get answered. ---- 01:48 – Michael opens with a Disney story that turns into a lesson on persistence and refusing to accept arbitrary limits 10:50 – Michael defines what it actually means to be a successful business owner 11:56 – Michael explains why most entrepreneurs feel like they are making it up as they go 13:28 – The difference between a business that depends on you and one that actually runs without you 15:17 – How to tell the difference between a lucky firm owner and a truly skilled one 15:48 – Why great leaders rely on decision-making frameworks instead of gut instinct alone 23:12 – Michael explains why leadership is about driving results, not being liked ---- Links & Resources: Roy McIlroy Tim Cook Steve Jobs Andy Jassy Jeff Bezos Amazon Web Services ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include

The story you never tell is the one that could have changed everything. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kindra Hall, best-selling author, keynote speaker, and expert on strategic storytelling in business. Kindra has spent over a decade teaching leaders how to stop communicating in marketing copy and start connecting through the one thing the human brain is biologically wired to receive: a story. In this conversation, Michael and Kindra unpack why storytelling is the most underused tool in a leader's arsenal, what separates the stories that convert from the ones that fade, and how the narratives we tell ourselves are either fueling or quietly sabotaging our potential. Here's what you'll learn: The four essential business stories every firm owner needs and how to tell each one without sounding self-indulgent or salesy Why customer stories that start with the win are missing the most important part, and how to fix them so prospects actually see themselves in the story How to identify the limiting internal stories holding you back and use your own history to rewrite the ones keeping you stuck Your story isn't just how you got here. It's the most strategic asset you have. Are you using it? ---- Show Notes: 02:38 — Kindra's origin story and how a fifth-grade assignment launched a career in storytelling. 08:09 — Why AI saturation is driving leaders back to human connection and storytelling. 09:36 — What the best brands get right about storytelling and where most go wrong. 12:07 — The neuroscience of attention and why the brain is biologically wired to receive stories. 14:11 — The four essential business stories every leader needs to master. 14:47 — How to tell your founder story without making it about you. 18:04 — Why most client testimonials fail and what a great customer story actually looks like. 25:44 — The internal stories that keep leaders stuck and how to rewrite them. ---- Links & Resources: Kindra Hall Stories That Stick by Kindra Hall Choose Your Story, Change Your Life by Kindra Hall National Storytelling Festival Airbnb Buffalo Bills ----</

The hardest part of building something real isn't the work. It's waiting for the work to matter. In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill explore one of the least discussed truths about business growth: the lag between effort and result. From the quiet judgment you'll face for decisions others don't understand, to the compounding power of doing the same boring thing for years, this episode unpacks why most entrepreneurs quit right before the breakthrough. If you're questioning whether what you're doing is actually working, this conversation will reframe how you measure progress. Here's what you'll learn: Why caring less about what others think becomes easier (and more valuable) as you get older How to recognize when slow progress is actually compounding momentum, not wasted effort What separates entrepreneurs who scale from those who pivot too early If you're doing the right thing but not seeing results yet, this episode is your reminder to trust the process a little longer. ---- 01:49 — Michael and Jessica open the AMMA by reflecting on what has genuinely gotten easier with age and experience. 02:25 — Michael explains how small technological conveniences slowly reshape daily habits and expectations. 05:05 — Michael questions whether too much automation weakens problem-solving instincts. 07:02 — Why recovery changes as you get older and what that teaches about respecting physical limits. 08:20 — Michael reflects on how maturity changes the way you interpret challenges and handle stress. 10:11 — Michael explains why leaders cannot respond to every message, request, or opportunity. 11:00 — The leadership tradeoff between being accessible and protecting your focus. 12:23 — Michael breaks down how to decide which problems actually deserve your attention. 13:50 — Why watching someone succeed with less effort should inspire you, not frustrate you. 21:40 — The difference between rewarding effort and rewarding results (and why one builds firms that scale). 25:39 — Why the decisions you made in 2015 matter more to your life today than anything you did last year. ---- Links & Resources: Tesla Autopilot Waymo Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe

The way you think about money has almost nothing to do with spreadsheets and everything to do with who you are. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Morgan Housel, New York Times bestselling author of The Psychology of Money and partner at the Collaborative Fund. With millions of copies sold and translations in over 50 languages, Morgan has spent his career studying not what the market will do next, but why we make the decisions we make with money. In this conversation, Michael and Morgan explore how personal experience shapes financial behavior, why the wealthiest people are often driven by something other than wealth, and what it actually means to use money as a tool for a better life. Here's what you'll learn: Why managing money is so new that we're still figuring out the rules, and why that means most people are learning as they go How your personal history with money shapes every financial decision you make, often in ways you don't realize What separates people who accumulate extreme wealth from those chasing it, and why the answer is rarely about money itself If you want to build wealth that lasts, you have to start by understanding the psychology driving every decision you make. ---- Show Notes: 03:57 — Why managing money for retirement is so new that there hasn't been a generational knowledge transfer yet. 05:19 — The social work principle that all behavior makes sense with enough information, and how it applies to financial decisions. 12:38 — The hardest financial concept to master is "enough," and how moving goalposts prevents happiness. 14:05 — Social comparison as the root of all financial unhappiness, and why there's always someone with more. 22:40 — The biggest financial risk is always what no one is talking about because you're not prepared for it. 28:13 — How savings without a specific goal gives you options and flexibility when the world surprises you. 30:07 — The highest form of wealth is waking up every morning and saying, "I can do whatever I want today." 31:44 — The difference between being rich and being wealthy, and why wealth is what you don't see. 40:26 — What it takes to turn down $1 billion at age 20, and why ultra-wealthy founders are rarely driven by money. 43:52 — What being a game changer means, and why the most admirable people are living extraordinary lives that no one knows about. ---- Links & Resources: The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Same-Ever-Guide-Never-Chang

Revenue is a vanity number. The only scoreboard that matters is what you actually take home. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point to the same uncomfortable truth: the absence of problems is not a sign that everything is working. It is usually a sign that you have stopped looking. This AMMA covers the metrics that actually matter, the complacency that creeps in when growth feels stable, and the leadership decisions that do not get easier the longer you wait to make them. Here's what you'll learn: Why profit, not revenue, is the only number worth building a strategy around What to do when smooth operations start to feel more like a warning than a win How to stop letting one difficult conversation hold your entire firm hostage Stop waiting for the situation to get worse before you do something about it. This episode is the push you need. ---- 1:46 – Michael discusses going to bed at 9pm, and explains how temporal discounting makes the habit so hard to build. 7:53 – The first question turns into a bigger conversation about what revenue actually tells you, and what it doesn't, when you're trying to diagnose why a firm isn't growing. 9:56 – Michael argues why chasing more cases is often the wrong lever, and what happens to your margins when volume becomes the strategy. 11:38 – The second question opens a conversation about what it means when everything in your firm feels fine, and why that feeling is worth being suspicious of. 12:44 – Michael makes the case that every firm owner eventually faces the same choice: create the pressure yourself or wait for the market to do it for you. 14:46 – The third question is about a managing partner who has been underperforming for a year. Michael and Jessica dig into what's really behind the decision not to act. 18:37 – Michael identifies what it looks like when a leadership team is choosing feelings over progress, and what it actually takes to change that. ---- Links & Resources: Thinking in Bets by Annie Duke The Game Changing Attorney by Michael Mogill Shawshank Redemption ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast

The cards you're dealt matter far less than what you do with your emotions when you pick them up. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Tiffany Michelle, world-class poker player, ESPN commentator, and one of the most recognizable faces in professional poker, to unpack what the game reveals about decision-making, emotional regulation, and how leaders can compete at the highest level. Tiffany brings the mindset of a champion to a conversation about the hidden cost of letting your emotions drive your strategy at the table and in your firm. Here's what you'll learn: Why emotional regulation, not talent or luck, is the single greatest separator between good players and great ones, and what that means for how you lead your firm How to make confident decisions when you're operating with incomplete information, high pressure, and no time to think What the 3 Cs of high performance (Clarity, Competitive Edge, and Calibration) look like in practice for attorneys navigating a high-stakes career If you want to stop letting your emotions cost you the hand, this episode is your playbook. ---- Show Notes: 02:17 – Tiffany shares how her grandfather taught her poker as a kid and why competing against her brothers lit a competitive fire that never went out. 05:35 – What actually separates good players from great ones, and why emotion regulation is the skill most people underestimate. 08:53 – Why the best players think 20 levels deep while most are still playing the surface, and how that gap shows up in every high-stakes decision. 13:45 – How to make confident decisions with incomplete information, combining what is automatic, what is analytical, and what is instinctual. 18:14 – Why great results do not always reflect great decisions, and how to reverse-engineer your process instead of just chasing outcomes. 23:07 – Tiffany's 3 Cs framework, Clarity, Competitive Edge, and Calibration, and how to apply them to your career and firm. 28:07 – How she stayed mentally locked in at the 2008 World Series of Poker with 27 players left, a fresh breakup, and $9 million on the line. 31:25 – Decision fatigue unpacked: why the problem is not thinking too much but treating every decision like it deserves the same weight. 42:35 – Looking back at the 2008 main event and the one thing she would have done differently, asking for help sooner. 52:49 – What being a game changer means to Tiffany, and why the biggest wins come from stepping boldly into uncertainty rather than waiting to feel ready. ---- Links & Resources: Tiffany Michelle <

The room you're in either challenges you to grow or quietly lets you stay the same. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that expose a pattern most law firm owners won't say out loud: the peer groups they're loyal to have stopped challenging them, the leaders they hired aren't being allowed to lead, and the reason their team has gone quiet might be their own doing. This episode is a direct look at how necessary trust and delegation are for scaling your business. Here's what you'll learn: Why outgrowing your peer group is not a problem to fix but a signal to act on, and how to find the people who will actually push you forward How to tell whether a new leadership hire truly isn't the right fit, or whether you're undermining them before they ever get the chance Why the leaders who scale are the ones who get out of the way Stop surrounding yourself with people who tell you what you want to hear. This episode is your reminder that getting better requires truth, not comfort. ---- 09:03 — The first question kicks off a broader conversation about peer groups, truth-seeking, and why surrounding yourself with people who challenge you matters more than staying comfortable in the wrong room. 09:48 — Michael distinguishes love and support, and why the people who tell you what you want to hear are not the same as the people who help you grow. 12:48 — Why Michael's first question to any mentor is always "where am I wrong?" and what that mindset requires you to give up. 14:27 — The conversation turns to hiring and delegation, using a listener's managing partner situation to explore what it really means to bring a leader into your firm and then actually let them lead. 14:41 — Jessica raises the other side of the coin: what if the hire is actually capable and the owner is just getting in the way? 15:21 — Michael and Jessica tackle the "am I the asshole" question about a senior attorney who has gone quiet, and what it signals when talented people stop contributing. 17:38 — Michael reflects on his own evolution as a leader, from signing off on every decision to stepping back, and why the Summit ran better when he got out of the way. ---- Links & Resources: Entourage on HBO David Goggins John Maxwell ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com.

The most dangerous conversations aren't the ones we have. They're the ones we keep avoiding. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sheila Heen, Harvard Law professor, co-founder of Triad Consulting, and bestselling co-author of Difficult Conversations and Thanks for the Feedback. With over 30 years at the Harvard Negotiation Project, Sheila has spent her career studying why conversations go sideways and what it actually takes to have them well. In this conversation, Michael and Sheila unpack the hidden structure of every difficult conversation, explore why feedback triggers our deepest identity fears, and reveal how the most effective leaders learn to hear what others can't bring themselves to say. Here's what you'll learn: The three hidden layers in every difficult conversation How to use the "third story" approach to enter hard conversations without putting people on the defensive What separates leaders who invite honest feedback from those who build blind spots over time If you want to lead at the highest level, you have to be willing to have the conversations everyone else is avoiding. ---- Show Notes: 07:45 — Why negotiation isn't a field, and why that's actually the whole point. 11:37 — How the Difficult Conversations book has evolved over the past 25 years. 18:09 — Why every difficult conversation is actually three separate conversations happening at the same time. 20:07 — The movie theater test: one question that reveals exactly how you handle conflict. 23:38 — The reason starting from your own story almost always backfires, and what to do instead. 29:51 — The one type of feedback leaders give constantly that makes everything worse. 34:44 — Why two people can receive the exact same feedback and have completely different reactions 39:13 — The mistake Sheila made with her three-year-old son that she now uses to teach every leader she works with. ---- Links & Resources: Sheila Heen  Difficult Conversations by Douglas Stone, Bruce Patton, and Sheila Heen Thanks for the Feedback by Douglas Stone and Sheila Heen Harvard Negotiation Project  Getting It Done by Roger Fisher and Alan Sharp <a href="https://en.wikipedia.o

The decisions that felt simple at six figures become exponentially harder at nine. In this rapid-fire AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle seven of the most common questions from eight and nine-figure law firm owners navigating complexity at scale. From leadership misalignment to founder bottlenecks, this AMMA explores what actually breaks inside growing firms and how to recognize it before it costs you momentum. If you think bigger revenue will just solve all of your firm’s problems, this conversation will change your mind. Here's what you'll learn: Why leadership decisions have more impact as your firm scales, and how to evaluate when to replace a leader The framework for determining if a challenge is a systems issue, a leadership issue, or both How to evaluate high-reward opportunities when the personal cost feels too high If your firm is growing, this episode will show you where the real risks are hiding. ---- 03:32 – What decisions get harder as firms scale from six to nine figures. 06:28 – How to identify if a challenge is a leadership or systems issue. 08:50 – Why firm owners accidentally become bottlenecks as they grow. 11:00 – The early warning signs that a leadership team is misaligned. 14:43 – What separates teams that look good on paper from teams that can actually scale. 17:07 – What to focus on in your first 90 days as CEO of an eight-figure firm. 20:05 – What winning actually looks like beyond revenue at nine figures. ---- Links & Resources: Miracle (1980) ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 423. AMMA — How to Actually Scale Your Standards 403. AMMA — How to Scale Beyond Growth Basics 375. AMMA — Stop Being the Bottleneck: Lead Your Firm Without Being Needed

Radical respect is the prequel to radical candor. Without it, you won't bother challenging anyone. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kim Scott, author of Radical Candor and Radical Respect, to tackle the workplace dynamics that quietly destroy firm culture. Kim shares how a colleague's feedback on her own book exposed the blind spots she had around bias, prejudice, and bullying in the workplace, ultimately leading her to write Radical Respect. This conversation reveals how leaders accidentally exclude top talent through "oblivious" promotion processes, and why the brilliant jerk who delivers results will ultimately cost you more than they're worth. Kim gives you the exact language to use when things get uncomfortable, so you stop defaulting to silence. Here's what you'll learn: The difference between bias, prejudice, and bullying, and how to respond to each The “I/It/You” framework for course-correcting conversations that lack respect How to create a shared vocabulary for disrupting bias on your team It's better to have a hole in your team than an asshole on your team. ---- Show Notes: 03:09 – The feedback from a black woman CEO that made Kim realize what she'd missed. 09:15 – How to know if you're dealing with bias, prejudice, or bullying in the moment. 09:15 – The I, It, You framework for responding to each type of disrespect. 16:14 – Why leaders need to create three types of consequences for bullying behavior. 19:38 – The difference between healthy conflict and repeated bullying that ignores feedback. 20:55 – What it means to be an upstander versus a bystander when you witness bias. 23:46 – Why silence is the default and how to calculate the ROI of speaking up. 26:40 – How to create a shared vocabulary so your team knows what to say when bias happens. 36:06 – How oblivious exclusion shows up in promotion meetings and how to catch it. ---- Links & Resources: Radical Respect by Kim Scott Radical Candor by Kim Scott Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman Radical Candor Podcast Bob Sutton Episode 25. Kim Scott

"If I failed, I wanted it to be 100% my fault." In this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill reflect on 5000 days of building Crisp. They walk through the dark ages of working out of a dental office with $500 and no idea what they were doing, the years of building real infrastructure and systems, the $8 million Game Changers Summit at Mercedes-Benz Stadium that became their moon landing, and the final evolution where Michael removed himself as the bottleneck entirely. This is an unfiltered look at what building a nine-figure company actually requires at each stage: pure grit when you know nothing, relentless focus on brand when everyone's watching, and the discipline to build systems that work without you. Here's what you'll learn: Why working 100 hours a week got them to seven figures but would have capped them there forever How the brand became the only competitive advantage that matters and why people who hated them still respected what they built What it means to go from hustler to manager to leader to CEO to owner, and why each evolution requires letting go of what got you there 5000 days. Zero debt. 100% ownership. Built by people who believed before there was anything to believe in. ---- 01:53 – Why 5000 days of Crisp is worth celebrating and the surprise party that almost didn't happen. 09:57 – Why "I can outwork anyone" is a badge of honor early on and a liability later. 14:19 – What Jessica found when she walked into Crisp and why she bulldozed everything she saw. 18:13 – What it actually feels like to cross a million dollars in revenue when you've been grinding for years. 20:01 – The milestone that finally made Crisp feel legitimate and what it meant to be able to offer it. 31:41 – Why the Game Changers Summit was designed to feel like a rock concert, not a legal conference. 43:03 – What it took to pull off a legal conference at Mercedes-Benz Stadium and whether Michael would do it again. 48:49 – What the transition from CEO to owner actually looks like in practice and why it takes so long to get there. 53:25 – Why the value of your business is inversely proportional to its dependency on you. ---- Links & Resources: Game Changers Summit Joey Diaz Armageddon ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changi

You can't delegate your longevity to a system that only gets paid when you're sick. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Bill Kapp, Chief Medical Officer and co-founder of Fountain Life, to explore the cutting edge of longevity science. Dr. Kapp reveals how creating a comprehensive digital twin with 250 gigabytes of personalized health data can detect fatal conditions 20 to 30 years before symptoms appear, why your family doctor is 17 to 20 years behind the latest technology, and how exponential innovations from gene editing to AI-powered diagnostics are reshaping what's possible for extending your healthspan. This conversation cuts through the influencer noise in the longevity space to focus on data-driven approaches backed by science, not hype. Here's what you'll learn: How full-body MRI scans with 10,000 slices and whole genome sequencing create a complete digital twin that enables personalized optimization Why muscle mass is the number one predictor of disease-free longevity and how lifting heavy outweighs everything else you can do Why you need to become the CEO of your own health and stop delegating your longevity to a broken medical system What you don't measure, you can't manage. It's time to become the CEO of your own health. ---- Show Notes: 02:39 – What Fountain Life is and the paradigm shift from symptom-based to proactive care. 12:13 – The comprehensive assessment: what gets measured and why it matters. 16:48 – The real risk of waiting and the airplane maintenance analogy. 20:01 – Genetics versus lifestyle: what's actually in your control. 26:01 – Making longevity technology accessible and what's coming next. 30:34 – Beyond detection: optimizing cellular health, hormones, and mitochondrial function. 41:29 – Longevity escape velocity and whether we can reverse aging in our lifetime. 44:06 – High-performance aging: why 80 doesn't have to mean slowing down. 45:45 – The top 3 takeaways: baseline testing, sleep optimization, and lifting heavy. ---- Links & Resources: Fountain Life Dr. Bill Kapp Tony Robbins Dr. Peter Diamandis Dr. Bob Hariri Why We Sle

Growth doesn't solve problems. It reveals which ones you've been ignoring. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle the leadership challenges that surface as law firms scale. From decision paralysis to team dependencies, this conversation explores why bigger firms face bigger problems and what it takes to lead through them. Michael breaks down the decision-making framework elite CEOs use, why leaders must stop being the bottleneck, and how world-class execution requires being 51% right and moving fast. This episode confronts the uncomfortable truth that your leadership team might look perfect on paper but fail in practice without the right incentives, speed, and simplicity. Here's what you'll learn: Why leadership teams get paralyzed and how to cut through indecision with a clear decision matrix How to stop training your team to depend on you and start building independent problem solvers Why being 51% right beats waiting for perfect information every single time Growth amplifies your leadership gaps. The question is whether you'll address them or let them cap your ceiling. ---- 09:26 – The decision framework elite CEOs use: first-order, second-order, and third-order consequences. 13:54 – The 51% rule: why world-class operators only need to be right half the time to win. 15:20 – Why your leadership team still waits for your approval on everything and the real reason behind the bottleneck. 17:09 – Creating a decision matrix that empowers your team to act without needing you. 19:34 – Why strong individual leaders fail to work as a cohesive team when you scale. 20:12 – Aligning leadership around firm-level metrics that drive collaboration and strategic unity. ---- Links & Resources: Charlie Munger 2024 Commencement Address by Roger Federer at Dartmouth ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: <a href="https://crisp.co/podcast/episode-421-amm

Your heart reveals more about your performance capacity than you think. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Leah Lagos, clinical psychologist and performance expert, to explore the science of heart rate variability and how a simple breathing practice can transform cognitive performance, emotional regulation, and long-term resilience. From working with elite athletes on the PGA Tour to coaching world leaders and executives, Dr. Lagos breaks down how resonant frequency breathing changes baseline heart rhythms, prevents cognitive fatigue, and allows high performers to make critical decisions without fear. This conversation will equip you with the physiological tools that separate sustained excellence from burnout. Here's what you'll learn: Why heart rate variability is a more reliable indicator of cognitive capacity than most people realize How 15 minutes of resonant frequency breathing twice a day can rewire your nervous system Why comparing your HRV to others is meaningless and what metrics actually matter for performance Want to improve your performance? Start with your heart. ---- Show Notes: 02:58 – Dr. Leah Lagos explains the science of resonant frequency breathing and how it creates homeostasis in the nervous system. 06:20 – Why comparing your HRV to others is meaningless and what metrics actually matter for performance. 12:06 – How chronic stress compounds over time and shows up reliably in your heart rate variability. 13:36 – The lifestyle factors that tank HRV: alcohol, dehydration, excessive caffeine, and who you spend time with. 17:59 – Why HRV training expands prefrontal lobe bandwidth and prevents cognitive fatigue under pressure. 22:35 – How resonant frequency breathing differs from meditation and produces measurable baseline changes in four weeks. 28:45 – The practical protocol: 15 minutes twice a day, finding your resonant frequency, and committing for ten weeks. 37:35 – The role of vagal tone in connecting heart, gut, and brain for better decision-making and health. 39:25 – Why breathwork is a must-have practice for longevity and sustained excellence, not just recovery. ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Leah Lagos Heart Breath Mind by Dr. Leah Lagos Oura Ring WHOOP

Confusing great culture with unconditional acceptance is one of the fastest ways to destroy a business. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill challenge the belief that accountability and close relationships can’t coexist. The conversation begins with Michael reflecting on Steve Wynn's philosophy of creativity and how it applies to standing out in saturated markets, then shifts into three critical questions about culture, accountability, and performance. From diagnosing silent culture problems to justifying special privileges for top performers, this episode tackles the hard truths that most leaders avoid. The tightest cultures are built on standards, not sentiment. Here's what you'll learn: Why creativity is not about invention but about creating contrast between expectation and reality How to maintain accountability and culture simultaneously without confusing the two Why special talent deserves special privileges and how to defend that to your team Unconditional love has no place in business. Unconditional standards do. ---- 02:25 – Michael Mogill explains Steve Wynn's definition of creativity as the clash between thesis and antithesis. 03:54 – How the Game Changers Summit became innovative by defying conference expectations rather than matching them. 11:09 – Jessica Mogill shares how skip-level meetings reveal patterns and uncover real culture problems. 13:43 – Why calling your business a family creates unconditional expectations that destroy accountability. 15:45 – How transparency with performance data prevents resentment when underperformers are let go. 17:39 – Why exceptional performers deserve exceptional privileges and how to defend that decision. 18:52 – The NFL veteran principle: special treatment must be earned daily and can be taken away. ---- Links & Resources: Steve Wynn Video on Creativity The Mirage The Game Changers Summit Fyre Festival The Power of the Dog by Don Winslow ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past gues

Drama isn't just annoying. It's measurable, costly, and completely avoidable. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Cy Wakeman, leadership expert, author of No Ego, and founder of Reality-Based Leadership, to unpack the staggering cost of emotional waste in the workplace. From venting and scorekeeping to resisting change and holding organizations hostage, drama silently destroys productivity and engagement. This conversation challenges the conventional wisdom around employee happiness and exposes the hard truths about accountability, leadership myths, and what it really takes to build a high-performing culture. Here's what you'll learn: Why the average employee spends over two hours a day stuck in drama, and what that really costs your firm How to stop managing emotional waste and start building a culture rooted in accountability and results Why popular leadership advice is often based on flawed research, and what the evidence actually says about engagement and performance Stop managing the drama and start building the culture you actually want. ---- Show Notes: 02:56 – Cy Wakeman discusses her mythbusting approach to leadership and why she brings evidence-based research back into HR instead of relying on pop psychology. 05:15 – Understanding the invisible tax that drains productivity and engagement from every team without most leaders realizing it. 06:12 – The cost of workplace drama and why it's affecting far more of your organization than you think. 14:25 – Why the strategies designed to boost engagement often backfire and create the opposite of what leaders intended. 16:09 – The accountability paradox that makes it impossible to satisfy everyone on your team with the same approach. 19:20 – Where leaders should actually invest their time and energy for maximum organizational impact. 24:35 – What really happens when you raise standards and why most leaders are wrong about the consequences. 28:26 – A new framework for measuring employee value that goes far beyond traditional performance reviews. 36:20 – Rethinking generational differences and what younger employees actually bring to high-performing organizations. ---- Links & Resources: No Ego by Cy Wakeman Reality-Based Leadership by Cy Wakeman The Reality-Based Rules of the Workplace by Cy Wakeman

Longevity doesn't equal excellence, but somewhere along the way, we started treating it like it does. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most uncomfortable truths in leadership: tenure is not a metric for promotion. From attorneys demanding partnership based on years served to team members resenting promotions they believe they "deserved," this conversation exposes the friction that happens when loyalty is mistaken for performance. Michael also shares how he's training his daughter to see skills as learnable, not innate, and why the same growth mindset applies to building teams that reward excellence over seniority. Here's what you'll learn: Why rewarding tenure over performance quietly destroys your standards and demoralizes top performers How to define partnership expectations before resentment builds and misalignment festers What to do when you've been delaying a termination decision, and why waiting only makes it worse Time served is not the same as value delivered. This episode is your reminder to lead with clarity, not comfort. ---- 01:57 – Michael introduces his new daily training sessions with his seven-year-old daughter and explains why focus is a trainable skill that nobody teaches. 06:47 – How the triathlon training principle applies to business: success has less to do with natural ability and more to do with time dedicated to practice. 09:26 – An attorney with six years of tenure demands partnership and equity, claiming the firm owner is "moving the goalposts." 14:26 – Why tenure doesn't trump performance, and how to explain promotions based on meritocracy without apology. 18:07 – Michael explains why delaying a termination decision only makes it more painful, and why it will never be easier than today. ---- Links & Resources: Marshmallow Test Lewis Hamilton ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 411