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The Four Top: Wine News and Culture

The Four Top·Hosted by Katherine Cole and Martin Reyes·191 episodes

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Each week, wine media veteran Katherine Cole serves up and breaks down the four biggest stories in the vinous world with help from The Four Top team, including our contributing cohost, Martín Reyes, MW. Come for the headlines, stick around for the occasional bad pun, and savor the conversation. The Four Top is winner of both the James Beard and IACP awards for Best Culinary Podcast.

Why listen

The Four Top turns wine industry headlines into a lively, approachable conversation instead of a trade-news briefing. Katherine Cole and the team mix reporting, expert guests, culture stories, and sharp puns, so listeners get both the serious issues shaping wine and the oddball trends that make the beverage world fun. It is a strong fit for wine lovers, food-media followers, and anyone curious about how politics, climate, labor, health, and culture show up in a glass.

Episodes

24 min
Feb 27, 2025Episode 190
ICE's Chilling Effect on the Wine World

Nearly every facet of American life has been thrown into uncertainty since Donald Trump took office last month. Undocumented immigrants and their communities are perhaps the most impacted. Searching for some understanding for how these unprecedented times may impact the wine world, we turn to Amelia Morán Ceja of Ceja Vineyards Winery for her perspective. Tune in to hear her words of wisdom.

21 min
Jan 29, 2025Episode 189
A Wine Community Faces the Unimaginable

We're on a short hiatus, but the world isn't. While we work on more episodes for you all, we are bringing you our conversation with Helen Johannesen (of Helen's Wines) about the impact of the Los Angeles wildfires. Our dear friend and occasional co-host Martín Reyes, MW joins as well, and while the fires are devastating, Helen brings us glimpses of community, hope, and rebuilding.

26 min
Jan 15, 2025Episode 188
Nootropics and Adaptogens, Anyone?

Get out those flashcards, there is some new vocab to pair with your N. A. beverages. Pooches pounce on pests and pestilence in vineyards. Orange you glad that orange wine is finally official in Collio? We catch up on all the non serious wine news we missed over the holidays. These are the stories we're following this week on your favorite wine news podcast, The Four Top.

29 min
Jan 9, 2025Episode 187
New Year, Same Trends

The Surgeon General sends shockwaves through the beverage world. A rock star Napa winemaker goes N.A. We speak with the @sober_somm. Food tourism is dead, according to the New York Times. These are the top wine news stories we're covering this week on The Four Top

16 min
Jan 1, 2025Episode 183
Happy New Year from The Four Top!

Happy New Year from The Four Top! We take it easy this week, sharing our new year resolutions and discussing our favorite stories from the past year. If you are looking for a chill podcast to help nurse your Champagne-addled head, this is the one!

19 min
Dec 25, 2024Episode 185
Holiday Tales from The Four Top

THIS IS NOT A DRILL: Santa Claus himself joins us on Ep. 185. You won't believe what we learn from (and about) Old Saint Nick. Once Santa signs off, we deliver you some pitches for wine-centric Hallmark holiday classics. Somebody get us a movie deal...

35 min
Dec 18, 2024Episode 187
Let Me Google That for You

The FTC aims its phasers at Southern Glazer's misbehavior. Spain reigns atop the Liv-Ex Power 100. Sleepy girls are Googling. We chat with Sprudge founder Jordan Michelman about wine gifts. These are the wine news stories we're following this week.

30 min
Dec 11, 2024Episode 183
Crushed Glass & ICE Advice

Michelin-starred restaurants rally behind Kally. We bring you advice for dealing with ICE. Washington's glass recycling industry is crushed. We welcome Women who Sparkle. These are the wine news stories we're bringing you this week on The Four Top.

30 min
Dec 4, 2024Episode 182
Tequila Tariffs and Ancient Vines

Trump touts tequila tariffs. Chefs begin to repeal the eels in their meals. Drinks retail needs to bring on the fun. Alder Yarrow talks old vines. These are the wine news stories we're following this week on The Four Top.

19 min
Nov 27, 2024Episode 181
Pizza Wine & Faux Foie Gras

Landowners weigh whether to plant crops or harvest clean energy. Prepare your maw for faux foie gras. Trump taps a new secretary of agriculture. It is time to acknowledge Indigenous people's impact on wine. These are the wine news stories we're covering this week on The Four Top.

25 min
Nov 20, 2024Episode 180
(Thirty-Five Million) Buck Chuck

A major producer drops glass weight. Gen Z wants a no ABV party. Tis the season for best wines lists. We phone a friend in France to discuss levies out of London. All this and more on your favorite wine news podcast, The Four Top.

34 min
Nov 13, 2024Episode 179
Tariffs and Toxic Waste

Trump tariffs have some terrified. It's not phylloxera, it's late frosts and freak storms. Workers allege toxic waste in winegrowers' waterways. The Aussies go aeronautical with aeration. These are the wine news stories we're following this week.

22 min
Nov 6, 2024Episode 178
Napa Handles the Heat

The rain in Spain does not fall mainly on the plain. Fine wine is in decline, but some producers still shine. It turns out Nick is not the only thing that likes to get drunk in the woods. Napa can handle the heat. These are the wine news stories we're following this week.

34 min
Oct 30, 2024Episode 177
Ghosts, Ghouls, and GPTs

We have wine country horror stories for you this Halloween week. Plus, we have a famous comedian's contribution to wine home decor, and all the latest on AI in the wine industry. To wrap things up, we phone a friend, that friend being Jason Wise of SommTV. Jason is going to tell us all about the Ghosts of Napa Valley. These are the wine news stories we have this week on The Four Top.

28 min
Oct 23, 2024Episode 176
Chardonngay and a New AVA

Criminals cashed in on counterfeit wine. Hip hip hooray! Napa's got a new AVA. What's going on at Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton? And in the name of Come Over October, we get to know the gal behind Chardonngay. These are the wine news stories we're following this week on your go-to wine news podcast, The Four Top.

30 min
Oct 16, 2024Episode 175
Blue Zones B.S. and Billion Dollar Buyouts

It's Come Over October, and we've got Kimberly Charles on the mic! We're watching Weed and Wine. Katherine is boozing in Berlin. A winery was acquired for a truly ungodly sum. The Blue Zones may have been bullshit. These are the stories we're following this week in the wine world.

26 min
Oct 9, 2024Episode 174
Dock Strikes and Chip Farms

Karen MacNeil joins us on Ep. 174!Dock workers struck and some wine got stuck. Non-alcoholic champagne is here and it is a little pricey. Oregon's governor chooses chip farms over grape farms. Come on over because it's October. These are the wine news stories we're following this week.

36 min
Oct 2, 2024Episode 173
The Joy of Wine

Somewhere in the recent flurry of negative wine news, we forgot the most important thing about our industry: the joy. Anna Maria Ponzi of Linfield University's Center for Wine Education and Jason Haas of Tablas Creek Vineyard join us on Ep. 173 to remind us of that joy, and give us tips on how to spread it far and wide. Listen to this episode with a glass in hand; we're finding that joy once again.

22 min
Sep 25, 2024Episode 172
India is Bucking Wine Trends

Deluges along the Danube drench wineries. India may be the savior wine needs. A firefighter fans flames in California. Wineries could find a friend in the USPS if some senators get their way. These are the four wine news stories we're following this week on The Four Top, with a special guest: food and wine writer Henna Bakshi!

20 min
Sep 18, 2024Episode 171
The Four Top’s Excellent UK Adventure

We caught up with Jancis Robinson, Richard Hemming, André Mack, Agnese Gintere, Henna Bakshi, Samantha Cole-Johnson, Elaine Chukan Brown, and Amanda Barnes at the inaugural 67 Pall Mall Global Wine Communicator Awards. We got to travel to London to attend the awards ceremony, and the best part was talking to so many talented wine communicators. Enjoy their hot takes, and... Cheers!

2 min
Sep 11, 2024Episode 168
A Teaser

We do not have a full episode for you this week! We were all traveling for the past 7-10 days and could not get an episode together for you. But that's mostly a good thing, because we were at the 67 Pall Mall Global Wine Communicator Awards in London! We were able to speak to some very talented wine communicators to get their thoughts and insights, and we'll be bringing you all that magic next week in a recap episode. Until then, enjoy this litte teaser. Cheers!

22 min
Sep 4, 2024Episode 169
New Grapes, Same Bullshit

South African wineries are fans of wasps and bullshit. Napa Valley’s tourist stats are good news. You may RSVP to your next wedding invite via Resy. France welcomes new grape varieties. These are the four wine news stories were following this week on The Four Top.

18 min
Aug 28, 2024Episode 168
Cabernet Cocoons and Aged Grapes

Prehistoric pips point to possible birthplace of grapes. You can now walk from St. Helena to Calistoga. An unrealized real estate empire implodes. Cocoons are for caterpillars and cabernet. These are the four wine news stories we're following this week on The Four Top.

17 min
Aug 21, 2024Episode 167
Rubles, Roundup, and Rapa Nui

Chile designates new D.O.s. Mysterious brain diseases in Canada are cause for concern. Vine saboteurs are horrible, terrible, no good, very bad people. Vladimir Putin forks out rubles for rosés and reds. These are the four stories we're following this week on The Four Top.

21 min
Aug 14, 2024Episode 166
Walking Off the Wine

Wine is not allowed to be fun or festive. California wants to chuck out self-checkout. Champagne lightens up. Walkathons are all the rage in Prosecco country. These are the news stories we're following this week on The Four Top.

31 min
Aug 7, 2024Episode 165
Chillable Reds and Friends

Katherine, Ruby, and Nick met in person for the first time...this week. That's pretty wild. Instead of bringing you a regular episode, we celebrated by talking about the rising popularity of chillable red wines (or is it chilled red wines?) and drinking rosé (a bit ironic). Sure, the audio quality isn't quite up to snuff, but we learned that we can be real life friends!

26 min
Jul 31, 2024Episode 164
Taxing the Air

VWE declares bankruptcy. Politicians and producers want to blow up the bubble tax. Winemakers are fretful thanks to the French far right. The man behind the American winery aesthetic has passed away. These are the four wine news stories we're discussing this week on your favorite wine news podcast, The Four Top.

24 min
Jul 24, 2024Episode 163
Wine Bots and Unpaid Bills

A former employee has spilled the tea about Visit Napa Valley. A deadbeat winery owner gets sued for shirking his bills. Treasury Wine Estates has gone full robot mode. Pete Wells quit his job before his job quit him. These are the wine news stories we're discussing on The Four Top.

22 min
Jul 17, 2024Episode 162
Swiftonomics and the Supreme Court

Swiftonomics comes to the wine world. The Supreme Court creates chaos for alcohol producers. A big tech exec wants to expand access to wine. Fires force evacuations in Central Coast wine country. These are the wine stories we're following on episode 162 of The Four Top.

28 min
Jul 10, 2024Episode 161
Booze, Hold the Alcohol

Anchor Brewing is raised once again. Wine pain is beer pain. Hops, water, and that's it. And the hottest thing in alcohol is no alcohol. These are the four topics we're covering this week on the beer takeover of The Four Top.

30 min
Jul 3, 2024Episode 160
Garden Party

This week we are taking a break from the news, and oh man was this ever the week to take a break from the news… We have the pleasure of bringing you this fun, insightful, and, honestly, relaxing conversation Katherine recently had with occasional co-host Martín Reyes, MW, and our friend Wendy Phillips, aka the Garden Somm. Hopefully it will inspire you to slow down a bit, take in your surroundings, and enjoy a good glass of wine.

16 min
Jun 26, 2024Episode 159
(Chilled) Red Wine Supernova

Bordeaux bets big on Virginia wine. Very old vino is found near Sevilla. Wineries dodge a wildfire bullet. Olfactory stimulation is the new health craze. These are the top wine news stories we’re following on Ep. 159 of The Four Top.

20 min
Jun 19, 2024Episode 158
Pests, Pricing, and Pinot Noir

Spotted species stopped short of soaring into Sonoma. A price pullback by Château Figeac. The Bay Area celebrates Pinot Noir from afar. Are the World’s 50 Best Restaurants too avant-garde for their own good? These are the top wine news stories we’re following on Ep. 158 of The Four Top.

22 min
Jun 12, 2024Episode 157
Dolly Parton Giveth

Sweden loosens its hold on hooch. The FTC aims its phasers at Southern Glazer's. The future of wine growing may be from the 1990s. The fight over foil necks continues. These are the top wine news stories we're following this week.

21 min
Jun 5, 2024Episode 156
Smoke and Sulfur

Nightly wine and cheese parties may just stave off dementia. Canned wine stink is sunk. Smokey the Bear says power companies must pay for smoke tainted wines. And was 2023 the vintage of the century? These are the wine news stories we're following this week.

24 min
May 29, 2024Episode 155
Weed > Wine?

The results are in from the re-judgment of Paris. Weed wins over wine on days that end in Y. Paper beats rock - sort of - in the spirits world. We bring you the buyout rundown for spring 2024. These are the wine news stories we're following this week on The Four Top.

21 min
May 22, 2024Episode 154
Vegan Beef and Sake Futures

The Pom Wonderful Company is apparently the Not So Wonderful Company. Regenerative ag is coming for vegan cuisine. The future of futures is not wine, but sake. Climate change is fouling up fermentation (so we think). This is the wine news we're watching this week on the Four Top.

25 min
May 15, 2024Episode 153
Tomato Wine and the Sideways Guy

Low spirits in wine and spirits as we lose another great wine publication. Pernod Ricard is getting out of Down Under. Tomato wine is...wait...tomato wine? And wine isn't a democracy, according to the Sideways guy. These are the news stories we're following this week.

18 min
May 8, 2024Episode 152
No Future for Bordeaux Futures?

Freixenet cuts worker hours due to a force majeure. Champagne is wrapped up over neck wrappers. The future of Bordeaux futures hangs in the balance. Chablis and Cahors have had a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week. These are the wine stories we're following this week.

22 min
May 1, 2024Episode 151
Wine: The Superior Sports Drink

Our taste buds are no match for robot probes. Revino brings reuse to wine bottles. Restaurant reservation rage is at an all time high. The hottest spritz spirit has doubled production. These are the wine news stories we're covering this week.

45 min
Apr 24, 2024Episode 150
Reruns: Sound Off on Roundup

Katherine is speaking at a wine celebration in Croatia this week, so we've dug a classic episode out of the vault for you. This engrossing, and at times shocking, episode deals with everyone's least-favorite, most-used herbicide: Roundup. It is the perfect pairing for Earth Week, so please enjoy! Here it is, folks; our episode about Roundup…but it’s so much more than that. We dive into regenerative agriculture, climate action, and the fight over how to grow grapes on a rapidly changing planet.Rounding out our expertise this week are Dr. Jamie Goode, an award-winning wine journalist, plant biologist, and the author of I Taste Red: The Science of Tasting Wine; and Anna Brittain, the founder and executive director of Napa Green and Napa RISE.

24 min
Apr 17, 2024Episode 149
Enzymes, Endorphins, and Ethanol

Martín Reyes, MW continues his residency in part two of our exploration of alcohol metabolization. We get into enzymes, dopamine, and orgasms in this occasionally off-kilter discussion of how our bodies deal with alcohol. All aboard our very adult Magic School Bus!

21 min
Apr 10, 2024Episode 148
The One with Science In It

Martín Reyes, MW is back for a two-episode arc! We've got science, dad jokes, and questionable man-made sound effects on this one. Join us as Katherine and Martín dig in to how alcohol is metabolized in our bodies in part one of this two-parter.

17 min
Apr 3, 2024Episode 147
Teetotalers vs. Nebuchadnezzars

Neo prohibitionists have the ears of health officials. It turns out old vines can travel. We've got a climate change game show for you. Yet another wine brand has been bought by its founder. These are the wine news stories we're following this week.

21 min
Mar 27, 2024Episode 146
Import Outrage and Export Heroics

A winemaker takes back his brand from a big ol' private equity firm. A surprising amount of American wine is not actually American. Organic wine importers are completely freaking out, and we don't blame them. Washington State is throwing British Columbia a lifeline. These are the four wine news stories we're following this week.

15 min
Mar 20, 2024Episode 145
The Curse of the Blue Nun

A winery uses AI to sexy up its team, do backflips, and oh yeah, sell wine. Californians are scrambling for last resort fire insurance. We've definitely identified the economic sweet spots for the wine industry. The curse of the blue nun has been lifted. These are the wine news stories we're following this week.

15 min
Mar 13, 2024Episode 144
Sheep and Cheese and Registries

Sheep counting has gotten out of hand. Cheese is on the chopping block. Wine retailers love registries. Ukrainian wine abides. These are the four wine news stories we're following this week.

16 min
Mar 6, 2024Episode 143
Snow in the Sierras and Saboteurs in Spain

Snow in the Sierra Nevadas. Saboteurs in Spain. The French court says, "mais non," to predatory negociants, and we have all been speaking Latin all wrong. These are the four wine news stories at our table right now.

44 min
Feb 28, 2024Episode 142
Dr. WHO?

Martín Reyes, MW is back, and he’s brought some friends. With their help, we get into misleading claims from the W.H.O, the health effects of wine, and how moderation may just be good for you. Joining us this week are Dr. Laura Catena, a Harvard and Stanford trained biologist and physician, fourth generation vintner, and the managing director of Bodega Catena Zapata in Argentina; and Dr. Miles Hassell, a specialist in Internal Medicine, the author of Good Food, Great Medicine, and a professor at Pacific University.

15 min
Feb 21, 2024Episode 141
Zillennial Zeitgeist, Secretive Subpoenas & Sub-Zero Temps

Mystery subpoenas hit some of the Napa Valley's biggest names. Someone claims to have tapped into the zillennial zeitgeist. British Columbia has been frozen out, and Rioja is sounding a bit more charming. These are the wine stories we're following this week.