The Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast

Shante Perrin on SOC Leadership, Communicating Risk, and Curiosity-Driven Career GrowthThomas chats with cybersecurity leader Shante Perrin, who progressed from web developer and help desk roles to SOC leadership and Director of Global Security Operations. Shante describes SOC and MSSP work focused on preventing repeat incidents through policies, procedures, customer advisement, and deploying new services and tools that improve analyst efficiency and investigation quality. They discuss the challenge of convincing customers to prioritize security before a breach, emphasizing tailored communication, active listening, documenting risk, and framing guidance around business impact and reputation. Shante highlights interview and hiring themes such as curiosity, understanding why tools are used (not just clicking), teamwork, and cultural fit, plus using brown-bag sessions to share investigative thinking. Career advice centers on taking leaps into unfamiliar work, seeking support, and accountability. Shante recommends David Goggins’ book "Can’t Hurt Me" and mentions journaling and self-care for sustainable performance.00:00 Welcome and Introductions01:09 Shante's Security Ops Role02:58 Convincing Customers to Act04:50 Communication in the SOC07:04 Incident Calls and Risk09:39 Security as Business Partner14:24 Career Growth Through Curiosity20:01 Interviewing Beyond Tools21:51 Curiosity Stands Out22:45 Hiring For Likability24:56 Humor Under Pressure25:49 Help Desk Foundations28:54 Learning Styles That Stick29:56 Audio Diet And Mindset31:38 Confidence And Speaking Up34:16 Setbacks And Self Care36:30 Book Pick David Goggins38:28 Journaling And Control39:38 Sustainable Work Rhythms41:20 Final Thanks And Wrap

From Security Executive to Startup Founder: Sales, Focus, and Raising a Pre-Seed RoundOn the Cybersecurity Recruiter podcast, Tom chats with Tommy Donnelly, CTO, President, and co-founder of Amplifier Security. Tommy describes founder life as high-ambiguity work requiring constant energy, disciplined routines, and learning new skills - especially sales - framing it as “finding” the right customers with urgency and budget rather than persuading everyone. He explains the value of narrowing product scope, defining an ICP, and iterating cheaply to reach product-market fit before scaling. Donnelly shares hiring traits he prioritizes (ambiguity tolerance, vision alignment, data-driven iteration), discusses leadership progression from technical roles to cross-functional and external influence, outlines how Amplifer raised a $3.3M pre-seed using design partners, networked VC outreach, and standardized SAFE notes (e.g., via Clerky), recommends TK Kader founder training, and cites Patrick Lencioni’s book “The Five Dysfunctions of a Team.” 00:00 Welcome and Banter01:06 Entrepreneurship Reality Check01:56 Energy and Founder Routines03:20 Tommy’s Career Intro04:02 Founder Life and Learning Sales05:18 Listening and Networking Wins09:21 Executive Communication Shift12:33 Finding the Right Customers17:46 Hiring for Ambiguity21:44 From Startup to Scale Lessons24:04 Structure vs Chaos24:23 Climbing to VP Reality25:54 Leaving Bullhorn for BetterCloud27:14 Going All In as Founder28:30 Staying Focused and Niche30:50 How the Pre Seed Happened36:28 Money Is a Commodity40:44 Founder Sales Qualification44:28 Best Founder Training Resource45:49 Teamwork and Hard Conversations48:16 Wrap Up and Thanks

Casey Murphy on Boundaries, Deep Work, and Learning Fast in Startup Revenue MarketingHad a great chat with Casey Murphy, who shares his career path from the US Navy submarine/nuclear program to Accenture, an MBA internship at Secure AI Labs, Microsoft, and his current role at Phosphorus Cybersecurity as Director of Revenue Marketing. Casey describes his identity as a Christian and frames his “Forrest Gump” career as a series of making the next right decision rather than following a grand plan, viewing successes and failures through faith and resilience. They discuss prioritizing family, creating boundaries to avoid burnout, and the importance of deep work, especially in remote settings, using examples like an Admiral’s early-morning focus block and a CFO’s handwritten index card of top priorities. They also discuss using AI as a learning aid while still doing painful, hands-on practice, and how printing, handwriting, and journaling improve thinking and retention.00:00 Welcome and Catch Up01:15 Casey Career Intro01:52 Identity and Navy Lessons05:35 Resilience and Priorities07:49 Work Boundaries and Burnout10:34 Remote Work Deep Focus15:18 Simple To Do Systems18:06 Learning and Upskilling19:25 Using AI Wisely23:38 Analog Thinking and Strategy27:05 Wrap Up and Next Time

Andrew Kirch on Hacker Mindset, Insider Threats, and AI’s Impact on CybersecurityIn this Cybersecurity Recruiter podcast episode, Thomas chats with Andrew Kirch, Director of Technical Operations at Stoic Cybersecurity, who describes his wide-ranging background across IT, red and blue team work, tabletop exercises, and early experience running a major DNS blacklist that helped him understand how attackers think.Andrew argues hacker mindset is learnable through experience, stresses reputational and insider threats, and explains prioritizing vulnerabilities based on real exploitability. He shares stories involving Anonymous, Occupy Wall Street amplification, and law-enforcement work culminating in Operation Cyber Slam. The discussion covers increasing criminal organization, AI-driven risks (voice cloning, fake candidates, faster exploit development, and corporate secrets leaking via public AI), the need for continuous learning, and sources he follows such as YouTube, Ground News, CISA updates, and The Register.00:00 Podcast Welcome00:55 Andrew’s Background04:55 Hacker Mindset Tips06:51 Prioritizing Real Threats08:56 Anonymous Storytime12:00 Operation Cyber Slam15:24 Cybercrime As Business17:25 How To Level Up21:01 AI And IP Risks24:04 Generalist Security Skills24:41 AI Voice Fraud Threat26:17 Fake Candidates Remote Hiring27:39 AI Widens Attack Surface29:28 Breach Costs and Insurance31:01 Writing Reports With AI34:10 Tone and Social Engineering36:10 Cyber News Sources39:22 Geopolitics and Ransomware41:18 Utilities and SCADA Risks42:53 Zero Trust and Passkeys45:32 AI for SOC Defense47:25 Wrap Up and Farewell

Wiley Bayes on Red Teaming, Networking Fundamentals, and Breaking into CybersecurityThomas hosts Wiley Bayes on the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast to discuss Wiley’s career path from early Linux curiosity and the US Navy into networking, systems/cloud engineering, penetration testing, and his current role as Senior Principal Red Team Operator at Dark Wolf Solutions. Wiley explains day-to-day red teaming on DoD contracts, emphasizing long preparation cycles, payload testing against major security tools, patience, and tailoring phishing to the audience. He advises career changers to keep learning, focus on fundamentals (especially networking), troubleshooting, and scripting/programming, and to break into IT first rather than fixating on a dream cybersecurity role unless you’re exceptionally advanced. They discuss Dark Wolf’s custom CTF-based hiring, communication skills gained from executive briefings, concerns about shortcuts and AI, and Wiley recommends OpenBSD and Peter N.M. Hansteen’s book “The Book of PF,” plus home lab tinkering.00:00 Welcome and Golf Talk01:27 Career Journey Intro02:26 Early Curiosity and Navy Roots03:17 Why Networking Matters04:04 Red Team Day to Day06:35 Phishing and Security Hygiene08:09 Transitioning to Civilian Life09:50 Hiring with Custom CTFs11:31 Breaking In Is Harder Now14:45 Finding Your Path in Security17:55 Staying Relevant and Next Steps20:39 Pentest To Architect Shift21:25 Communication Under Pressure23:17 Fundamentals And Hiring Quality25:43 Stop Chasing Dream Roles27:57 Learning Resources And Practice28:57 Troubleshooting War Story32:31 AI Shortcuts Vs Real Skills34:36 Code And Scripting Matters36:04 Books And Home Labbing38:37 Wrap Up And Thanks

Barak Engel on Fractional CISO Life, Resilience, and Relationship-Driven Security Consulting Thomas chats with Barak Engel, founder/CEO of EAmmune and an advisor/board member across several security organizations, about his 23-year consulting journey, including creating the virtual/fractional CISO concept in 2003 and the realities of “feast or famine” work. Barak discusses rapid context switching (and hitting his limit while serving six CISOs at once), resilience through setbacks such as the 2008 crash and Chapter 7 bankruptcy, and how reputation and long-term relationships drive EAmmune’s referral-only growth through “concentric circles” as clients change jobs. He emphasizes transparency, accountability, avoiding short-term exploitation, delegating to strengths (including hiring a people manager), and focusing on minimizing damage rather than preventing all mistakes. Book recommendations include Anthony de Mello’s "Awareness," Malcolm Gladwell’s "Blink," and "The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy," plus Barak’s book "The Crack in the Crystal" 00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro 01:31 Origin of EAmmune Name 02:39 Resilience and Career Overview 04:51 Fractional CISO and Context Switching 06:38 Jessica Burnout Story 08:39 Lightning Angel Name Meaning 09:10 Relationships Over Everything 11:58 Bankruptcy and Customer Lifeline 15:15 Bootstrapping and Early Hustle 17:38 Strengths Focus and Delegation 19:33 Leaving Corporate and Forced Independence 22:34 Referral Growth Philosophy 23:58 Radical Transparency 24:59 Accidental Career Path 25:56 Reputation Compounds 28:12 Resilience Over Perfection 30:53 Trust Beats Skill 32:43 Owning Mistakes 34:39 Pretty Little Princess 36:04 Practice Context Switching 39:11 Humility and Humanity 43:00 Books and Farewell

From Bartending to COO: Hospitality Skills, Remote Work, and Critical Thinking in CybersecurityThe host welcomes Alise Barron to the Cybersecurity Recruiter podcast and introduces her career path from hospitality and internet marketing into recruiting leadership roles at Experis Finance, Cylance, and Blackberry, and then multiple promotions at Cyvatar to COO.Elise describes a typical remote-work day balancing family routines, early email catch-up due to time zones, constant meetings, and handling unexpected escalations in cybersecurity operations. They discuss why hospitality backgrounds can drive rapid advancement: strong work ethic, quick critical thinking, customer and stakeholder management, resilience, and learning to set boundaries without adopting a victim mindset. Elise connects these skills to project management, noting she later recognized she had been applying PMP-style practices.They also discuss productivity tradeoffs between remote and office work, the value of networking, and how incident response requires structure, patience, and calm communication.00:00 Welcome and Catch Up00:42 Small World in Security01:47 Elise Career Intro02:59 COO Daily Routine04:58 Remote Work Realities08:44 From Bartender to COO13:39 Hospitality Skills in Corporate18:02 Boundaries and Ownership19:24 Project Management Mindset25:12 Hiring Through Networking26:59 AI and Recruiting Filters29:20 Closing Thoughts and Wrap

Ray DeMeo on Cybersecurity Investing, AI Risk, and Building Resilient TeamsThomas chats with Ray, managing director at Pulse Drive Group with a background in senior roles across tech and venture advising, about current cybersecurity market dynamics and investing. Ray notes recent acquisitions focused on cyber AI and protecting AI applications and data, highlighting the need to reduce risk and address SOC alert overload. They discuss the Gartner Hype Cycle moving faster, hiring shifts toward broader, architecture-aware talent, and the possibility that top security individual contributors will become highly compensated as AI increases productivity. Ray contrasts slow government procurement with urgent geopolitical pressures, citing Ukraine’s drone-driven innovation. He shares career lessons from early customer-facing work, startup discipline, mentorship in large companies, and the responsibility of layoffs. Ray argues most security spending is post-deployment, urging stronger pre-deployment secure coding. Book recommendations include Nicole Perlroth’s “This Is How the World Ends,” plus “Team of Teams,” and Steve Martin’s “Born Standing Up.”00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro01:52 Ray’s Mission in Cybersecurity04:03 Market Pulse and Investor Sentiment04:25 AI Security and M&A Trends07:09 Hype Cycle and Skills Shift10:16 Government Pace and Ukraine Lessons12:34 Career Lessons and Early Hustle14:16 Startup Discipline and Customer Focus16:56 Founder High and Building Momentum18:23 Why Startups Hook You19:41 Client Facing Skills20:39 Caddying Lessons21:47 Building People Skills23:10 Big Company Mentors25:48 Hard Leadership Calls27:33 Secure Code Gap32:36 AI and Code Quality34:24 Books and Mindset36:28 Advisory Work Network37:51 Closing Thanks

CMMC Readiness, Compliance Consulting, and Career Lessons with Joe SchofieldIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Tom speaks with Joe Scholefield, a former sysadmin/network engineer and ex-Dell cybersecurity manager, now serving as Director of Compliance at Deafcert, about helping defense contractors meet CMMC (based on NIST requirements) and preparing for DoD third-party assessments. Joe explains CMMC readiness commonly takes 12–18 months, with faster progress driven by aligned stakeholders, minimal internal resistance, and strong cross-department project management. They discuss CMMC as both a cost and revenue differentiator, increasing supply-chain pressure from primes like Lockheed and RTX, and a looming assessor bottleneck given the number of companies needing certification versus C3PAOs. Joe shares career advice on knowing when to move roles, the impact of earning a bachelor’s degree over 17 years to avoid HR filtering, the importance of soft skills in consulting, and recommends the “CUI Center of Excellence” Discord community.00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro01:03 What Joe Does Now02:52 Helping Clients Succeed03:36 Racing Through CMMC05:24 CMMC as Revenue Driver06:36 Supply Chain Pressure07:46 Bottleneck and Assessors08:50 Rollout Timeline Debate11:39 Why CMMC Exists13:08 Career Growth Lessons16:27 Hiring and Soft Skills19:19 Restaurant Skills for Consulting20:29 Career Growth and Timing Moves20:43 Finishing a Degree Late22:37 Degrees and HR Filters23:51 Certs and Hiring Signals24:34 Job Search Fatigue Tips26:31 Small Teams Hiring Stakes27:17 Finding Community Resources29:01 Mentors and Giving Back31:26 Making Time for Growth32:31 Work Life Balance Advice33:08 Golf and Disconnecting33:55 Wrap Up and Thanks

Jim Miller on Talent Acquisition: Career Growth, Remote Hiring, and Today’s Employer MarketOn the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas chats with Jim Miller, a talent acquisition leader with 25 years’ experience, including early recruitment at Allegis, a decade at Google (rising to global head of inbound talent), VP of Talent Acquisition at FullStory, and now VP of People and Talent at Ashby, where the company is fully remote across 27 countries.Jim shares career lessons: teach and share expertise, explicitly ask for roles you want, and prioritize quality over quantity. They discuss today’s market dynamics: layoffs, heavy competition for remote roles, niche hard-to-fill roles, and intentional application “friction”,plus concerns about overusing AI in applications. Jim advises tailoring CVs to show what you did, how, and the impact and magnitude of your actions, and recommends Ashby’s “Offer Accepted” podcast.00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro01:51 Life and Remote Work03:04 Team Retreats and Remote Culture04:07 Career Growth Lessons08:13 Quality Over Quantity10:06 Intentional Applications12:19 Hiring Market Imbalance16:47 AI Use and Integrity19:33 Resume Impact and Magnitude22:40 Resume Bullet Formula22:53 ATS Myths And Evidence24:05 AI Criteria Matching25:26 Speed And Transparency25:41 High Volume Review Hacks26:37 Accent Banter Break27:08 Handling Setbacks Adaptably29:23 Inbound Versus Sourcing32:33 Early Google Scaling Story34:41 Choosing Product Market Fit36:28 Building Google's ATS39:50 Offer Accepted Podcast41:03 Learning From Coworkers43:03 Closing Thoughts

Andrew Wildrix on Transitioning from the Army, Building Networks, and Standing Out in Cybersecurity HiringOn the Cybersecurity Recruiter podcast, Tom interviews Andrew Wildrix, a former US Army major and current VP of Business Development at Intrusion, about his career path from military service into cybersecurity and sales/technical leadership.Andrew describes his day-to-day work spanning emails and sales calls, product and engineering feedback loops, budgeting for a public company, and raising Intrusion’s profile as it expands from long-term US government work into commercial markets. He contrasts government vs MSP messaging, emphasizes planning before leaving the military, and advises building networks through local professional groups and optimizing LinkedIn while avoiding divisive topics.They discuss ATS-driven hiring challenges, the value of soft skills and translating technical concepts without condescension, creative job-search tactics to “not be a number,” and interview red flags like victim mentality. Andrew recommends reading The Phoenix Project and a Star Wars “Book of the Sith” on power and leadership.00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro01:11 Day in the Life at Intrusion02:38 Branding vs Cold Outreach03:20 Customer Feedback to Product04:06 Army Background and Influence Ops04:48 Transitioning Out of Military06:28 ATS and Hiring Reality Check08:14 Building a Network and LinkedIn11:19 Staying Professional Online13:51 Sales and Technical Career Loop14:56 Communication and Culture Lessons21:06 Toxicity and SMB Team Fit22:09 Standing Out in Job Hunting26:17 Resilience and Victim Mindset30:58 Books That Shaped Andrew32:57 Wrap Up and Thanks

Navigating a Cybersecurity Career and Business Leadership with Dave AndersonIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, our host converses with Dave Anderson about his fascinating career journey in cybersecurity. They discuss Dave's consistent online presence, bolstered by a specialist assisting him with LinkedIn content, which is pivotal for staying visible in the cybersecurity field.Dave shares insightful details about his traditional career progression, from tech support to high-level security roles at prominent companies like Greenhouse, and his eventual transition to founding TSC Security. Dave takes us through the unique steps of moving from being an employee to an employer, including an intriguing personal story of moving to a boat in New Jersey and eventually to Florida, while developing his consultancy business.The conversation covers the challenges of scaling a business, hiring dynamic and flexible personnel, and the importance of certifications and continual learning in the cybersecurity field. Dave also emphasizes the value of referrals,and shares his thoughts on the impactful book 'The Phoenix Project' for understanding effective project management in a business context.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:30 Dave's Content Strategy and Consistency01:56 Career Journey and Achievements02:43 Starting TSC Security04:30 Life on a Boat and Transition to Entrepreneurship06:28 Growth and Challenges of Running a Business09:56 Importance of Referrals and Networking13:36 Lessons from Startup Experience18:33 Building a Strong Network19:04 Scaling Challenges and Company Growth21:44 Hiring the Right People25:14 The Impact of AI on Business29:29 The Value of Certifications32:25 Recommended Resources for Success35:37 Final Thoughts and Reflection

Leading Managed Security Services: Growth, Hiring Advice, and Playing to Your Strengths with April JenkinsThomas chats with April Jenkins, Senior Director of Managed Services/Service Desk at Elite Ops, about her career path, and how she prioritizes both customer outcomes and team growth, balance, and psychological safety. April explains her organization’s expansion from 9 to 42 people through new hiring and team consolidation, and discusses current market conditions: high candidate volume, employer decisions about remote vs. office, and the importance of responsiveness, accurately matching job requirements, and adding short notes with resumes.She shares career guidance on focusing on strengths, staying authentic, reading the room, building relationships through problem-solving, and sustaining momentum via small daily wins and protected thinking time. Recommendation: a strengths-focused book (described as “maximizing your strengths”) and the “do unto others” golden rule from a Dr Pepper Museum exhibit.00:00 Welcome and Introductions00:26 April’s Career Origins02:45 Life Running 24/7 Support05:03 Team Culture and Mindset06:31 Scaling from 9 to 4207:13 Hiring in a Tough Market11:10 Standing Out as a Candidate14:39 Internships and Career Switchers15:12 Advice for Career Growth17:19 Strengths and Relationship Building20:15 Finding Your Niche in Security21:29 Find Your Strengths22:20 Define Your Core24:12 Write It Down Daily25:24 Protect Thinking Time26:29 Start Small Habits28:40 Momentum From Small Wins29:51 Ignore Social Media Timelines32:15 Relationships As Deposits34:33 Authenticity And Feedback37:36 Golden Rule Leadership40:00 Wrap Up And Thanks

Recruiter Insights for a Tough Market: Resumes, Interviews, Follow-Ups, and ProfessionalismOn the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Tom chats with Barb Adrian, Chief People Officer at Procellis Technology. about how candidates can stand out in a competitive, layoff-impacted market. Barb stresses a well-constructed, proof-read resume (errors like misspellings or mismatched dates are deal-breakers), showcasing community involvement, and limiting work history to relevant recent years. For interviews, she advises researching the company, being prepared for recruiter calls, asking thoughtful questions (including culture and what the interviewer loves about the job), practicing communication, and being comfortable with silence rather than babbling. She welcomes proactive outreach via LinkedIn or email and emphasizes follow-up and professionalism on virtual interviews (clean space, appropriate attire, minimal oversharing). Barb notes AI filtering can miss great candidates, so she manually reviewed 430 applicants, and she finds referrals especially effective. 00:56 Meet Barb Career Journey02:01 Resume Must Haves03:21 Interview Prep and Flow05:57 Smart Questions to Ask07:05 Relaxed Communication Tips09:41 Reaching Out and Standing Out10:30 AI Screening and Follow Up14:35 Worst Phone Interview Story16:30 Virtual Interview Professionalism17:21 Oversharing Red Flags18:06 Stay Professional until Offer18:51 Dress For Success19:36 Market Shift Reality Check20:24 Community Interview Support23:51 AI Screening Pitfalls25:07 Referrals Beat Algorithms25:46 LinkedIn Noise And Etiquette28:07 Hiring Needs And Candidate Energy30:52 Human Touch And Mental Health33:04 Learning Through Your Network34:23 Episode Wrap Up

Navigating Cybersecurity Careers and Communication with Jake EverettIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Thomas welcomes Jake Everett, VP of Offensive Security at Rule4. They discuss technical challenges, the impact of AI, and Jake's career journey from the Marine Corps to the commercial world. Jake shares his daily responsibilities, the importance of communication and responsiveness, and educational resources that have been pivotal for his career. They also explore the role of honesty and detailed problem-solving in successful cybersecurity careers. Jake recommends the book 'Sandworm' and highlights valuable online resources like Hack the Box, Try Hack Me, and YouTube videos for continued learning.00:00 Introduction and Technical Glitches 00:20 AI in Podcasting and Everyday Life 01:03 Jake Everett's Career Journey 02:02 A Day in the Life of a VP of Offensive Security 02:38 The Four-Day Work Week 04:31 Preparing for OSCP and Continuous Learning 08:25 Physical Pen Testing and Lock Picking 09:35 Transitioning from the Marine Corps to Tech 10:27 The Importance of Practical Application in Learning 12:37 Communication Skills in Cybersecurity 14:37 Honesty and Integrity in Job Applications 16:36 Building Trust in Cybersecurity 17:45 The Power of Word of Mouth 18:31 Effective Communication Tips 22:23 Career Progression to VP Level 24:27 The Role of AI in Recruitment 28:01 The Value of Continuous Learning 29:03 The Impact of Cyber Warfare 32:08 The Importance of a Positive Algorithm Diet 33:11 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Unlocking the Secrets of Talent Acquisition with John HerrickIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Thomas interviews John Herrick, a seasoned professional in the recruitment industry. They discuss John's career trajectory from a boutique agency in 2012 to his current role as a Global Talent Acquisition Manager. John shares insights on the effectiveness of ice baths, the benefits of over-communicating, and the importance of networking for finding passive candidates. He also shares personal growth tips, emphasizing the need for proactive outreach and heavy note-taking. The conversation is enriched with anecdotes about hiring across different cultures and the importance of aligning with hiring managers. For book lovers, John recommends survival books focused on edible plants, and for podcast enthusiasts, he enjoys 'The Joe Rogan Experience.00:00 Introduction and Ice Bath Discussion 01:07 John Herrick's Career Journey 01:42 Agency vs In-House Recruitment 02:49 The Importance of Professionalism in Recruitment 06:33 Challenges in the Current Job Market 11:45 Effective Communication with Hiring Managers 15:04 John's Promotion Journey and Key Learnings 21:49 Qualifying Roles and Passive Talent 22:48 Effective Communication with Hiring Managers 23:23 Cultural Differences in Hiring Practices 25:19 Proactive Stakeholder Engagement 26:05 Importance of Personality in Hiring 30:22 Learning from Candidates and Research 35:18 Personal Growth and Recommendations 35:47 Networking and Referrals 40:42 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Building Relationships and Navigating Cybersecurity Recruitment with Mariah HaagIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, host Thomas is joined by Mariah Haag, a Security Project and Talent Manager at Stratum Security, which has recently merged with Cyber Advisors. They discuss the organized chaos of managing client demands, Mariah’s career progression from retail management to cybersecurity recruitment, and the vital role of building relationships within the industry.Mariah emphasizes the importance of setting SMART goals, getting out of one's comfort zone, and maintaining work-life balance. She also shares insights on the law of attraction and recommends reading 'The Secret' and Top Biller, by Steve Guest, a recruitment book that offers practical advice from one of the top recruiters in the world.Throughout the episode, they highlight the benefits and challenges of remote work, the value of in-office experiences, especially for newcomers, and how to leverage every interaction for personal and professional growth.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:04 Mariah's Career Journey02:40 Building Relationships in Recruitment06:30 The Importance of Stepping Out of Your Comfort Zone12:02 Practical Tips for Relationship Building15:02 The Power of Positive Thinking and Goal Setting20:21 Achieving Short-Term Goals21:22 The Importance of Fun at Work23:38 Understanding SMART Goals25:11 Balancing Work and Personal Life28:00 The Value of Office Culture36:24 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast: Navigating Career Journeys and Leveraging AI with Grace Rauth,In this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast, Thomas interacts with Grace Rauth, the global Learning and Development Manager at Chronosphere. Grace shares her journey from an HR specialist to an L&D specialist, emphasizing the importance of adaptability in today’s fast-changing work environment, especially with the rise of AI. The conversation also explores how Enneagram can be a powerful tool for understanding team dynamics and personal motivations. Grace shares her love for 'The Lord of the Rings' as a personal life philosophy and recommends 'Five Dysfunctions of a Team' for professional development. The episode wraps up with practical advice for job seekers in the current tough market, emphasizing the value of AI tools, active listening, and staying positive.00:14 Discussing the Weather and Working Conditions 01:26 Grace's Career Journey 01:59 The Startup Experience 03:31 Adapting to AI in the Workplace 11:11 The Importance of Active Listening 17:00 Understanding Motivation with Enneagram 20:28 The Challenges of Transitioning to Management 21:52 The Complexities of Sales and Recruitment 24:38 The Impact of Market Conditions on Hiring 29:38 Leveraging AI and Staying Positive in Job Search 34:37 The Value of Patience and Adaptability in CareersGrace Rauth suggested:The Lord of the Rings by John Ronald Reuel TolkienThe Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni

Insightful Journeys in Cybersecurity and the Impact of Emotional IntelligenceIn this episode of the 'Cyber Security Recruiter' podcast, Thomas welcomes Max Schroeder, CTO at Aquiety, who shares his unique career trajectory from the beverage industry to becoming a CTO in cybersecurity. Max emphasizes the importance of emotional intelligence (EQ) in technical roles and elaborates on how his hospitality background has been instrumental to his success.The discussion covers recurring themes concerning the hospitality industry's influence on career advancement, the significance of networking and genuine human connection in a digitized world, and the challenges and opportunities presented by AI in recruiting and cybersecurity. Max offers invaluable advice on the importance of communication skills, continuous learning, and the need for passion outside of work to stay grounded. The episode also features a thoughtful recommendation for the book 'Setting the Table' by Danny Meyer, highlighting the essence of exceptional customer service and its relevance across different fields.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:31 Max Shroeder's Career Journey02:27 The Importance of Emotional Intelligence05:23 Leadership and Communication Skills10:08 Networking and AI in Recruitment16:14 The Value of Conferences and Networking Groups20:32 LinkedIn and Online Presence23:23 The Quest for Authenticity in the Age of AI24:21 Balancing AI Innovation with Security Concerns26:30 The Importance of Quality Over Quantity in SMBs27:48 The Power of Positive Experiences and Referrals29:55 Building Genuine Connections in Professional Networking33:52 Navigating Career Progression and Job Loyalty41:34 The Value of Passion Projects and Continuous Learning44:02 Concluding Thoughts and ReflectionsMax suggested:Setting the Table by Danny Meyer

Navigating Cybersecurity and Career Transitions with George Charles OsterholtIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, the host welcomes George Charles Osterholt, a lead cybersecurity engineer at Scientia. They discuss George's career transition from managing sizable teams in restaurants to becoming an advisor at Indiana University and later advancing in the cybersecurity field. George shares his insights on managing remote teams, the importance of cybersecurity compliance, and the challenges of integrating AI into security measures. He also offers valuable advice on effectively communicating the importance of cybersecurity to non-technical stakeholders. George recommends 'The Alchemist' by Paulo Coelho and a book about the life of MF Doom, emphasizing the importance of adventure, self-realization, and sticking to first principles in one's career journey.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:41 George's Background and Career Journey 01:16 A Day in the Life of a Cybersecurity Engineer 02:19 CMMC and Compliance in Cybersecurity 03:17 The Importance of Security and Privacy 04:19 Team Dynamics and Development 05:21 Incident Response and Continuous Learning 10:10 Balancing Budget and Security 13:51 Communicating ROI in Cybersecurity 19:45 AI and the Future of Cybersecurity 22:21 Navigating Security with Caveats 23:41 Effective Cybersecurity Training 24:54 Visible Security and Trust 25:42 Communication and Adaptability in Security 26:33 Lessons from the Restaurant Industry 29:03 Incident Response and Agility 32:59 Career Transitions and Lifelong Learning 35:08 The Future of AI and Cybersecurity 36:41 Economic Cycles and Career Resilience 37:44 Adapting to Remote Work 39:50 Books that Inspire and Guide 42:07 Final Thoughts and ReflectionsGeorge suggested: The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho The Chronicles of Doom by S.H. Fernando Jr.

Navigating Cybersecurity Careers: Insights from Brennan LodgeIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Thomas is joined by Brennan Lodge to discuss his extensive experience and career in cybersecurity. They delve into Brennan's past roles at Goldman Sachs, BlockFi, and HSBC, as well as his current ventures as a founder of BLodgic and fractional CISO. Brennan shares insights on balancing multiple roles, the importance of communication and mentorship, and his passion for integrating AI and data science into cybersecurity practices. The conversation also touches on the need for resilience, the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, and the benefits of attending industry conferences. Brennan recommends two impactful books: Shon Harris's CISSP guide and Ethan Mollick's 'Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AIBrennan also tells us about his LinkedIn Learning LinkedIn learning class coming out on AI Tools and Automation for Cybersecurity and his previous classes on LinkedIn Learning,- RAG (retrieve augmented generation) and use cases of RAG for cybersecurity. And then MCP (model context protocol) and use cases of using and securing MCP and cybersecurity.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:30 Guest Background and Career Highlights 01:45 Current Role and Responsibilities 03:38 Insights on Cybersecurity and Career Growth 05:35 Challenges and Strategies in Cybersecurity 13:49 The Role of AI in Cybersecurity 21:49 AI in Legal and Security Frameworks 22:27 The Role of AI in GRC and Audits 23:22 Challenges and Benefits of AI in Compliance 27:38 The Importance of Conferences and Networking 31:56 Upcoming Talks and Learning Resources 35:07 Books and Resources for Career Growth 38:10 Final Thoughts on Cybersecurity and AI

Navigating Cybersecurity Recruitment: Insights from Carter MillerIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Tom engages in a candid conversation with Carter Miller, the head of talent at Trail of Bits. They discuss Carter's journey in the recruitment industry, touching on his roles at various organizations including Scope Group, Capital One, and Research Innovations. They delve into the importance of passion, continuous learning, and community involvement for candidates looking to excel in cybersecurity roles. Carter shares insights on effective hiring practices, the impact of AI in recruitment, and the challenges posed by fake candidates. The episode also highlights Carter's personal growth journey and his efforts to create an inclusive and agile work environment at Trail of Bits. Book recommendation: ´The Rising Leader Handbook´ by Mark Silverman.00:00 Introduction and Technical Issues01:15 Carter Miller's Career Journey03:48 Recruitment Insights and Strategies09:23 AI and Cybersecurity Innovations15:34 Hiring Criteria and Candidate Tips18:48 Hiring Passionate People at Trail of Bits19:19 Importance of Blockchain and Public Contests20:43 Job Search Fatigue and Candidate Preparation21:54 Challenges in Reviewing Resumes24:12 AI in Job Applications30:57 Building Relationships in Recruiting35:14 The Rising Leader Handbook38:46 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsCarter suggested:The Rising leader Handbook by Mark Silverman

The Journey from Employee to Cybersecurity Entrepreneur with Kevin JohnsonIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, the host interviews Kevin Johnson, CEO of Secure Ideas. Kevin shares his experience and insights from his career journey, including his early days as a programmer, a SANS instructor, and his transition to running his own successful cybersecurity firm. He discusses the differences between being busy and being productive, the importance of consuming and discerning information, and the ethical implications of business practices like cold calling. Kevin also emphasizes the role of a strong support network in achieving entrepreneurial success and offers advice on how to sustain long-term business growth. Additionally, he recommends Malcolm Gladwell's podcast 'Revisionist History' for its insights into understanding and solving complex problems.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:23 The Busy vs. Productive Debate 02:15 Kevin's Journey into Cybersecurity 04:42 The Importance of Consuming Knowledge 07:24 From Employee to Entrepreneur 14:48 The Power of Doing 18:29 The Evolution of MVPs and Security Concerns 19:10 Leadership vs. Management: A Personal Insight 20:04 The Importance of Fun in the Workplace 21:24 A Unique Approach to Customer Service 26:07 The Ethics of Cold Calling and Inbound Marketing 31:52 The Impact of Revisionist History 36:45 Concluding Thoughts and ReflectionsKevin suggested:Talking to Strangers book and Revisionist History podcast by Malcolm Gladwell

Navigating the Job Market:- Insights from Industry ExpertsIn this episode of the Talent Acquisition podcast, Tom welcomes Donna Pacheco, a seasoned talent acquisition specialist, for an in-depth discussion on the contemporary recruitment landscape.Donna shares her extensive career journey and insights from her experience in various sectors, including healthcare and logistics. The conversation covers the chaotic post-COVID job market, emphasizing the importance of industry-specific knowledge and adaptability.Key topics include the impact of AI on job applications, strategies for effective job searching, relationship-building with recruiters, and the evolving nature of recruitment in a more volatile world. Both Tom and Donna stress the importance of authenticity and due diligence for job seekers and recruiters alike, offering practical advice to help navigate these unprecedented times.Donna recommends reading  Franklin Covey series about being mindful of time management.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:30 Donna's Career Journey01:13 Post-COVID Job Market Insights03:09 AI and Technology in Job Hunting03:34 Industry-Specific Job Market Trends05:36 Using AI for Resumes and Interviews15:47 Building Relationships in Recruiting17:23 Challenges in Modern Recruiting19:46 Scaling Back on Profiles20:17 The Importance of Personal Branding21:00 Challenges in Recruitment22:35 Fake Applications and Impersonation Issues24:38 The Value of Initial Screening Calls25:23 Recruiter and Candidate Communication26:31 Understanding Recruiter Workloads29:05 The Impact of Company Restructuring31:13 The Joy and Challenges of Recruitment34:39 Time Management Tips for RecruitersDonna suggested:Franklin Covey Training series

Balancing Cybersecurity and Skateboarding: Insights from Patrick GarrityIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas is joined by Patrick Garrity, an experienced cybersecurity professional with a unique passion for skateboarding. They discuss Patrick’s journey from sales to high-level roles in cybersecurity, his innovative office setup, and his skateboarding adventures.Patrick shares his experiences with injury, the importance of vulnerability and persistence in professional development, and strategies for effective online engagement. They also explore valuable resources for cybersecurity research and the importance of staying active, both mentally and physically. Patrick recommends the book 'The Mutt' by skateboard legend Rodney Mullen for inspiration.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:12 Skateboarding Passion and Injuries 02:47 Patrick's Professional Journey 04:05 Daily Life and Work in Cybersecurity 05:37 The Importance of Communication Skills 07:35 Embracing Criticism and Feedback 17:50 Balancing Work and Hobbies 21:28 The Importance of Surrounding Yourself with Good People 22:53 Climbing the Career Ladder: Titles and Responsibilities 30:47 Balancing Work and Personal Life 34:07 Resources for Vulnerability Research 37:29 Conference Highlights and Networking 40:05 Book Recommendations and Personal Growth 42:07 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Navigating Talent Acquisition Challenges with Jake Jeffers In this episode of the Talent Acquisition Podcast, Thomas welcomes guest Jake Jeffers to discuss various aspects of talent acquisition and recruitment. Jake shares his journey from managing coffee shops and restaurants to becoming a manager of Talent Acquisition. The conversation touches on the challenges and strategies involved in recruiting, such as the importance of understanding business models, building relationships, and the concepts of buy, build, and borrow talent. They also explore the nuances of hiring in different cultural contexts and the importance of effective communication and emotional intelligence in recruitment. Thomas and Jake exchange insights, emphasizing the need for deep market understanding and the value of mentoring and internal mobility for retaining talent. 00:00 Introduction and Technical Issues 01:16 Jake Jeffs' Background and Career Journey 02:51 Day in the Life of a Talent Acquisition Manager 04:49 Challenges and Strategies in Remote Work 07:49 Understanding Recruitment and Talent Management 13:47 The Buy, Build, and Borrow Strategy 14:03 The Importance of Internal Mobility 16:43 Balancing Expertise and Team Dynamics 20:43 The Role of Knowledge and Confidence in Recruitment 26:56 Navigating Emotions and Relationships in Hiring 27:55 Understanding Risk and Challenges 28:34 Embracing Feedback and Constructive Conversations 28:44 Aligning on Success Criteria 28:56 Influencing Hiring Practices 29:20 Concise Communication and Documentation 32:18 Building Relationships and Understanding Psychology 35:43 Cultural Differences in Business Practices 44:47 Technical Conversations and Knowledge 51:00 Challenges in Talent Acquisition52:01 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

Navigating Career Growth and Modern Sales Strategies with Kyle PardueIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Tom welcomes Kyle Pardue, a seasoned professional with a diverse career trajectory from accounting to sales leadership at Kirkpatrick Price. Kyle shares insights on overcoming technical glitches, career progression, and the importance of sales and communication skills, especially in a down market. He emphasizes the value of personalized outreach, such as handwritten notes and thoughtful communication. Kyle also discusses his approach to hiring and managing sales teams, stressing creativity and authenticity. He highlights the importance of continuous learning and leadership, referencing John Maxwell's 'The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership' as a key influence.The conversation wraps up with a focus on achieving goals and cultivating healthy habits for sustained success.00:00 Introduction00:22 Guest Introduction: Kyle's Career Journey00:56 Day in the Life of Kyle: New Dad and Sales Leader02:08 Sales Strategies and Market Insights02:28 Kyle's Career Progression and Promotions05:09 The Importance of Being Remembered06:32 Sales Skills and Authenticity09:03 The Changing Landscape of Sales11:45 Recruiting and Hiring Insights18:03 Managing Different Personalities18:36 Breaking Down Big Goals into Manageable Steps19:16 Encouraging Creativity in Sales Plans20:37 Recruitment Strategies: Going Beyond Job Postings22:26 The Importance of Personal Touch in Outreach25:27 Challenges and Changes in Sales Communication28:29 The Power of Personalized Outreach32:54 Influential Books and Mentorship36:15 Year-End Goals and Healthy HabitsKyle suggested:The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John C. Maxwell

Navigating the Complexities of Cybersecurity Recruitment with Lane McFarlandIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast, the host is joined by Lane McFarland, the VP of People Operations, Operational Excellence, Process Automation, and Workforce Planning at Flashpoint.Lane shares insights into his extensive career, which spans various roles in operations and people management. The discussion delves into the intricacies of modern recruitment practices, the impact of AI on job seeking and hiring processes, and the strategies for effective networking and outreach in a competitive job market.Lane emphasizes the importance of ethical use of AI, the value of honest and realistic resumes, and the significance of maintaining a robust professional network. The episode is filled with practical advice and real-world examples, making it a valuable resource for both job seekers and recruiters.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:31 Lane's Career Journey02:26 Day in the Life of Lane04:30 AI in Cybersecurity Recruitment09:55 Challenges in Recruitment18:54 Ethics and AI in Recruitment24:27 The Importance of In-Person Interviews25:40 Coaching Through Resume and Interview Preparation26:33 The Role of Personal Connections in Job Applications30:06 Balancing Remote and In-Person Work36:10 Effective Outreach Strategies for Job Seekers43:18 The Value of Networking and Mentorship45:50 Recommended Resources for Professional GrowthLane suggested: Dare to Lead by Brene BrownBooks by Ben Eubanks

Navigating Cybersecurity Careers: Insights from Alfredo Hickman's Phenomenal Journey In this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter podcast, Thomas sits down with Alfredo Hickman, a seasoned cybersecurity professional with a rich background in both the military and commercial sectors. Alfredo shares his career journey, including his time in the United States Marine Corps, transitions to key roles at Vista International Operations, Rackspace, and currently at Ossian Security. The discussion highlights key topics such as the significance of community in cybersecurity, the impact of AI at the Black Hat conference, and advice for transitioning military personnel into the commercial world. Alfredo also delves into career progression strategies, the importance of genuine human connections, and the value of resilience and perseverance. The conversation is filled with valuable insights for both job seekers and employers in the cybersecurity industry. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 01:00 Alfredo Hickman's Career Journey 04:05 Black Hat Conference Insights 14:23 Transitioning from Military to Commercial World 18:05 Job Search Tips from an Employer's Perspective 23:20 Spotting Resume Red Flags 23:47 Balancing Job Search and Lifestyle 25:01 The Importance of Networking 25:37 Climbing the Career Ladder 26:08 Resilience and Grit: Personal Stories 27:53 Inspirational Quotes and Their Impact 35:39 Building Relationships for Career Growth 42:26 Recommended Reads for Personal Growth 44:17 Final Thoughts and Reflections Films/quotes that Alfredo mentions and are well worth checking out: Theodore Roosevelt, The Man in the Arena Rocky Balboa film Mother Theresa of Calcutta Rudyard Kipling - If Books that Alfredo recommends:  The Hard Thing about Hard Things by Ben Horowitz  Jocko Willink. Extreme OwnershipGeneral Stanley McChrystal, Team of Teams

From Network Analyst to Cybersecurity Entrepreneur: A Conversation with Vinson Cornejo.In this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Thomas speaks with Vinson Cornejo, Founder and Managing Partner of Blue Cloak. Vinson shares his professional journey from a network analyst at George Washington University to starting his own cybersecurity company. The discussion covers Vinson's typical day, the transition from being an employee to an employer, and the challenges and rewards of running a business. Vinson also explores the role of AI in cybersecurity and offers insights into the hiring process and the importance of interest and passion in the field. The episode concludes with a look into Vinson's favorite resources for career growth and personal development.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:14 Client Demands and Productive Mornings 01:11 Vinson's Career Journey 02:42 A Day in the Life 08:52 The Challenges and Rewards of Entrepreneurship 15:09 Supporting Employee Growth and Entrepreneurship 19:27 The Importance of Character in Tough Times 20:07 Hiring for Character Over Skills 23:27 Balancing Work and Personal Life 24:04 Diving into AI and Its Applications 26:03 The Future of AI in the Workplace 28:26 Efficient Coding with AI Tools 32:58 Reusing and Integrating Code Libraries 37:10 The Impact of AI on Jobs and Society 38:18 Personal AI Agents: The Next Big Thing 39:01 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

Navigating the Cybersecurity Business Landscape with Gene Reich In this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas sits down with Gene Reich, owner of Point and co-founder of Traceless.io. They discuss Gene's extensive experience running two businesses simultaneously, his journey towards transitioning out of day-to-day operations, and the importance of resilience in the face of challenges. Gene shares insights on the significance of hiring the right people, building a strong company culture, and the unique challenges of doing business in New York City. He also reflects on his personal growth and the benefits of forming meaningful, in-person connections in the business world. 00:00 Introduction and Catching Up 01:02 Gene's Business Journey 01:51 Challenges of Running an MSP 03:59 Delegation and Team Building 10:23 Navigating Business Setbacks 18:17 The Importance of Rest and Emotional Discipline 19:01 Stepping Away from Work to Clear Your Head 19:34 Accepting Business Challenges and Self-Development 20:19 Opportunities and Reflections on Entrepreneurship in America 25:32 Hiring the Right People and Developing Leaders 31:42 Filtering Content and Personal Growth 34:01 The Value of In-Person Connections Post-COVID 37:09 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude

From Lockheed Martin to Founding Reveal Risk: Tim Sewelll's Cybersecurity JourneyIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Tim Sewell shares his remarkable journey through the cybersecurity field. Starting as an Information Assurance Lead at Lockheed Martin and advancing to Chief Cyber Architect, Tim has accumulated extensive experience over nearly a decade. He then moved on to serve in significant cybersecurity roles at Mayo Clinic and Eli Lilly, before co-founding Reveal Risk. Tim discusses the challenges and successes of building Reveal Risk from the ground up, including navigating the complexities of running a business, pivoting during the COVID-19 pandemic, and scaling the company to $5.8 million in revenue. He also emphasizes the importance of balancing robust cybersecurity measures with practicality for businesses and delves into the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, especially in light of generative AI. Additionally, Tim offers valuable insights for aspiring cybersecurity professionals seeking to advance in their careers.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:40 Tim Saul's Career Journey01:29 Current Role and Advisory Work02:53 Challenges in Cybersecurity for Small Companies03:52 Career Progression Tips04:23 Experience at Lockheed Martin07:11 Transition to Healthcare Cybersecurity11:00 Starting Reveal Risk13:04 Navigating Business Challenges During COVID-1918:48 Scaling the Business and Leadership21:17 The Challenges of Hiring in a Small Company21:57 Handling Employee Development and Transitions23:00 Facing Difficult Business Decisions25:51 Balancing Work and Personal Life32:20 The Importance of Contract Language34:28 Advising and the Future of Cybersecurity37:23 Recommended Resources for Cybersecurity Professionals38:59 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsTim recommends:Hacking Exposed by Stuart McClure, Joel Scambray, and George Kurtz

Effective Leadership and Navigating Cyber Security CareersIn this Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast episode, Thomas welcomes Shawn Mattioli, COO of Prescient, to discuss Shawn's impressive career journey from an FBI intelligence intern to his current role.They explore the importance of team bonding in a remote work environment, the value of networking, and the evolving landscape of insider threats and ransomware negotiations. Shawn shares insights into what attributes make a good candidate in the cybersecurity industry, emphasizing communication, writing, time management, critical thinking, and adaptability.They also delve into the impact of AI on junior jobs and the necessity for young professionals to develop crucial soft skills. The episode concludes with book recommendations and a candid discussion on the challenges and rewards of leadership.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:01 Shawn's Career Journey06:12 Building Relationships and Networking12:24 Insider Threats and Cybersecurity17:33 Hiring and Industry Insights19:43 The Importance of Communication Skills20:02 Writing Skills: Breaking It Down Barney Style20:32 Time Management and Critical Thinking21:52 Adaptability in High-Pressure Situations26:24 The Role of Critical Thinking in Problem Solving30:09 The Impact of AI on Skill Development32:13 The Value of In-Person Collaboration33:49 Self-Development and Leadership37:44 Concluding Thoughts and ReflectionsShawn recommends: The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins

Navigating the Cybersecurity Job Market: Insights with Brendan CroninIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Tom is joined by Brendan Cronin to discuss their long-awaited conversation on the cybersecurity job market. Brendan shares his career journey, starting as a teacher and progressing through various roles including network engineering and management at Verizon, to his current position at Vigilant Solutions. They delve into the impact of the internet boom, the cyclical nature of the market, and the transformative effect of AI. The discussion also covers practical advice for job seekers, emphasizing the importance of adaptability, leveraging relationships, and personalizing job applications. Brendan highlights the increasing importance of niche areas in cybersecurity, especially related to AI, and the need for well-rounded skill sets.The episode wraps up with book recommendations and personal anecdotes, providing valuable insights for both job seekers and industry professionals.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:56 Brendan Cronin's Career Journey 01:51 The Evolution of Cybersecurity 04:30 AI and Market Cycles 06:35 Job Market Challenges and Strategies 10:40 The Rise of AI and Automation 14:24 Security Threats and Job Market Realities 18:39 The Impact of AI on Job Markets 19:12 Challenges in Job Applications 20:04 Recruitment Strategies and Automation 20:25 Navigating Job Market Realities 23:29 Adapting to Technological Changes 25:51 Breaking into Cybersecurity 27:58 The Future of Cybersecurity and AI 31:03 The Importance of Continuous Learning 32:21 Recommended Resources and Tools 35:45 Concluding Thoughts and ReflectionsBrendan recommends:The Cuckoo's Egg by Clifford StollSandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin’s Most Dangerous Hackers by Andy GreenbergFancy Bear Goes Phishing by Scott J. ShapiroThe Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande

From System Admin to VP of Product Security: Ed Hagopian's Journey in CybersecurityIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas welcomes guest Ed Hagopian, VP of Product Security at Cream City Cyber. Ed shares his career trajectory from a CIS admin to a leading role, emphasizing a hands-on approach, relentless curiosity, and the importance of adaptability in the fast-evolving tech landscape. He discusses his early interest in computers, driven by his father's encouragement, and how this passion led to pivotal roles at North Western Mutual, Microsoft, and Dell. The conversation highlights the value of building strong teams, continuous learning, and positive mindset in overcoming career challenges and embracing technological advancements like AI and machine learning.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:28 Ed's Career Journey 02:52 Early Passion for Computers 05:20 Challenges and Setbacks 10:10 AI and Machine Learning Insights 13:14 The Future of AI and Security 15:31 Identity Proofing and Trust 21:16 AI in Music and Media 21:54 AI in Cybersecurity: Detection and Defense 22:21 The Rise of AI in Music 22:33 Career Advice for Aspiring Professionals 23:17 The Importance of Hands-On Learning 24:09 Mentorship and Skill Development 26:05 Implementing a Risk Assessment Program 27:34 The Value of Demonstrable Proficiency 28:15 Adapting to Technological Changes 32:01 The Power of Positive Attitude 36:42 Recommended Books and Continuous Learning 41:28 Final Thoughts and Farewell Ed suggested:Never Split the DifferenceChristopher Voss and Tahl Raz

Enhancing Communication Skills for Cybersecurity Professionals with Josh HohbeinIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas welcomes Josh Hohbein, an experienced security professional with a rich background in various roles, including restaurant management. Josh discusses how skills learned in the service industry have been invaluable in cybersecurity, emphasizing the importance of communication and soft skills. The conversation covers the need for effective public speaking, client interactions, and building trust, especially as AI and technology evolve. Josh also shares practical advice for those looking to improve their communication abilities and emphasizes the growing importance of well-rounded skillsets in the cybersecurity field.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:47 Josh's Career Journey01:33 The Value of Soft Skills in Cybersecurity04:03 Real-Life Examples of Soft Skills in Action10:23 Enhancing Communication Skills13:05 The Future of Communication in the Age of AI16:47 The Importance of Going Above and Beyond in Service17:44 Drawing Parallels Between Restaurant Compliance and Cybersecurity19:03 The Power of Effective Communication in Client Relations23:12 Transitioning from Restaurant Management to Cybersecurity28:03 The Value of Hands-On Experience in Cybersecurity32:05 The Importance of Concise Communication and Continuous Learning34:59 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Josh suggested: Official Guide to Public Speaking by Chris AndersonUdemy,  EQ versus IQ

Exploring Cybersecurity Careers: Insights from Philippe Caturegli, Chief Hacking Officer, SeralysIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas is joined by Philippe, a seasoned cybersecurity professional with an extensive career in web development and security roles. Philippe shares his journey from vulnerability researcher to Chief Hacking Officer of his own firm, Seralys, and discusses the importance of passion and curiosity in cybersecurity. He touches on how AI is revolutionizing the field but emphasizes the irreplaceable value of human expertise. Philippe also talks about the importance of understanding the business impact of vulnerabilities and offers advice for aspiring pentesters. The episode provides valuable insights into the challenges and rewards of a career in cybersecurity.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:32 Philippe's Career Journey01:20 LinkedIn and Content Sharing02:54 Day in the Life of a Chief Hacking Officer03:40 The Importance of Hands-On Experience09:07 AI in Cybersecurity11:33 Staying Updated in Cybersecurity13:02 Transitioning to Entrepreneurship17:16 Understanding Developer Shortcuts17:41 Recommended Programming Languages18:36 Legacy Systems and Security19:00 Getting into Pen Testing19:38 Bug Bounty Programs20:35 The Art of Exploitation21:26 The Importance of Proof of Concept25:56 Building a Strong Security Team29:03 Real-World Security Challenges30:36 Career Advice and Growth32:23 Recommended Reading and Resources33:34 Conclusion and FarewellPhilippe suggested:Kevin Mitnick’s BooksPhilippe's LinkedIn profile:https://www.linkedin.com/in/caturegli/

From Ground Zero to Success: Rob McGowan's Journey in CybersecurityIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas interviews Rob McGowan, President of R3, who shares his journey from being a VP of Operations at BD Net Corp to leading R3. Rob discusses the challenges he faced, including the logistics of balancing a demanding schedule, family responsibilities, and starting a business from scratch. He emphasizes the importance of physical fitness, mental health, determination, and a strong support system. Rob also touches on his company's strategic decisions, such as adopting cloud-first methodologies and maintaining a high-growth mindset despite market conditions. He shares his hiring philosophy, focusing on drive, ambition, and the willingness to take risks. The importance of mentorship and mental health in his personal and professional life is also highlighted.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:04 Rob McGowan's Background and Career Journey01:49 A Day in the Life of Rob McGowan04:30 The Leap to Entrepreneurship00:17 Building and Scaling R314:19 Navigating Market Challenges and Growth Strategies22:17 Future Aspirations and Closing Thoughts24:18 The Importance of Work and Identity25:34 The Role of Mentors in Personal Growth25:49 Mental Health and Personal Experiences27:36 Coping Mechanisms and Self-Awareness29:20 The Impact of Meditation and Stress Management31:14 Challenges and Lessons in Business39:51 Hiring the Right People44:11 Influential Books and Podcasts46:42 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsRob suggested:Good to Great by Jim CollinsAcquired podcast hosted by Ben Gilbert and David RosenthalWhat Got You Here Won’t Get You There by Marshall GoldsmithThe E-Myth Revisited by Michael E. GerberThe Innovative Seller by Jake Dunlap

Navigating the Cybersecurity Job Market with Michael LisiIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast, Thomas is joined by Michael Lisi, who shares insights into the bustling opportunities within the cybersecurity space despite current market layoffs. Michael discusses his extensive background from programmer analyst to multiple roles, including President of Red Team Village and Founder of Maltek Solutions. They dive into a typical day in Michael's life, his transition from employee to business owner, and the unique challenges and rewards that come with it. Michael shares specific strategies for new business development, particularly leveraging job postings to find clients in need of immediate assistance. They also explore the impact of AI on the industry, the significance of community involvement, and how volunteer work can lead to unexpected opportunities. Finally, they touch upon pivotal books that influenced Michael's career, providing invaluable advice for aspiring cybersecurity professionals and business owners.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:18 Current Cybersecurity Landscape01:16 Mike's Career Journey02:11 A Day in the Life of Mike05:05 Transition from Employee to Employer09:15 The Role of AI in Cybersecurity15:16 Nurturing Junior Talent21:05 Team Dynamics and Customer Insights22:14 Improving Communication and Presentation Skills22:41 Transitioning to Offensive Security25:54 Starting a Freelance Penetration Testing Business30:33 Networking and Volunteering for Career Growth34:23 The Importance of Long-Term Business Relationships35:58 Recommended Books for Career and Business Success40:02 Final Thoughts and Future PlansMichael suggested: Art of Intrusion by Kevin MitnickGhost In The Wires by Kevin Mitcnick The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks

Navigating the Transition from Federal to Commercial Cybersecurity with Matthew LeglerIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast, Thomas welcomes Matthew Legler, an experienced professional with a rich background in naval reactors and cybersecurity. Matt shares his journey from working in naval reactors to becoming the Chief Information Officer (CIO) and later transitioning into the commercial sector as a founder and director of cyber engineering. He emphasizes the importance of communication, building relationships, and staying adaptable in the fast-evolving field of cybersecurity. Matt also discusses his experiences with AI, the challenges of aligning educational curricula with industry needs, and the value of standing out in a competitive job market.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:33 Matt's Background and Career Journey01:16 Transitioning from Navy to Commercial Sector02:49 Challenges and Adaptability in Cybersecurity04:37 The Role of AI in Cybersecurity05:46 Education and AI Integration07:59 Navigating the Commercial World17:18 Communication and Leadership Skills20:14 The Struggle to Write Well20:57 Upskilling Through Experience22:05 The Role of AI in Writing23:10 Navigating Job Offers and Applications24:38 The Importance of Personal Connections27:13 Hiring Insights and Skills Demand30:00 The Future of Work and Education32:58 Learning and Self-Development Resources36:47 Concluding Thoughts

Mastering MedTech Cybersecurity: A Journey with Christian EspinosaIn this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Thomas interviews Christian Espinosa, an accomplished cybersecurity expert and entrepreneur.Christian shares his experiences and insights from his diverse career, which began in the US Air Force and progressed through various roles to founding Blue Goat Cyber, a MedTech cybersecurity company. They discuss Christian's extensive travels, his passion for continuous learning, and the challenges and strategies of transitioning from the military to the commercial sector. Christian delves into the specific challenges of MedTech cybersecurity, emphasizing the importance of niche focus, understanding regulatory requirements, and the critical nature of patient safety. The conversation also covers the significance of emotional intelligence in cybersecurity, the impact of a strong leadership team, and Christian's journey of personal growth and resilience, including overcoming serious health challenges. Christian talks about the 2 books he has published, and the 3rd he is currently writing. Tune in to gain valuable insights on cybersecurity, entrepreneurship, and the power of mindset.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:11 Travel Plans and Adventures01:46 Christian's Background and Career Journey02:50 A Day in the Life of Christian05:16 Transitioning from Military to Commercial08:17 Entrepreneurial Challenges and Growth12:55 Scaling and Leadership17:27 Niche Focus and Community Building22:03 The High Stakes of MedTech Cybersecurity23:29 Transitioning from Traditional to MedTech Cybersecurity28:08 The Complexities of MedTech Penetration Testing30:20 Christian's Journey: From Cybersecurity to Author and Speaker34:07 Overcoming Personal Challenges and Shifting Narratives38:57 Future Goals and Aspirations for Blue Goat CyberChristian suggested: $100M Offers by Alex Hormozi. The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks. The Smartest Person in the Room by Christian Espinosa The In-Between: Life in the Macro by Christian Espinosa

Overcoming Challenges in Cybersecurity and Business: Insights from Michael BakaicIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Tom chats with Michael Bakaic, Founder of Iceberg Cyber. Michael shares his journey from building race cars at the University of Toronto to navigating the complexities of starting and scaling cybersecurity businesses. They discuss the importance of personal branding, the value of referrals, and strategies for maintaining resilience in the face of challenges. Michael also offers advice on attending events, leveraging LinkedIn for job seekers, and the significance of being persistent and focusing on both sales and marketing. Additionally, they delve into dealing with tough times in business and the essential mindset needed for continuous progress. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:49 Michael's Background and Career Journey 02:29 Challenges and Rewards of Podcasting 04:06 Scaling a Business and Managing Reputation 07:30 The Power of Referrals 14:35 Personal Branding and Social Media Strategy 24:42 Starting and Growing a Business 25:07 Lessons from a Failed Startup 25:53 The Importance of Sales in Every Role 27:55 Persistence and Feedback in Job Hunting 34:35 Effective Networking at Events 45:06 Overcoming Challenges and Staying Focused 48:38 Recommended Reads and Final ThoughtsMichael suggested:How I Rob Banks by FC Barker

Navigating Cybersecurity Startups & Investment: Insights from Gregory Crabb In this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Thomas hosts Gregory Crabb, a highly accomplished figure in the cybersecurity field. They discuss the challenges and rewards of managing multiple startups, the importance of adaptability, finding product-market fit, and the role of resourcefulness in early-stage companies. Gregory shares his experiences, including his work with Ballistic Ventures and significant points from his career, like his tenure at the USPS and founding his own cybersecurity company. They delve into the importance of customer feedback, differentiating from competitors, and effective go-to-market strategies. Gregory also touches upon his consulting work, particularly around insider risk, bringing a wealth of knowledge from his diverse background in cybersecurity. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:27 The Challenges of Early-Stage Cybersecurity Companies 01:56 Greg's Background and Career Journey 12:09 The Importance of Customer Focus in Startups 17:18 Navigating the Cybersecurity Market 29:11 Go-to-Market Strategies for Startups 36:01 Investment Insights and Red Flags 37:51 Closing Thoughts and Future Outlook

Insights from Carlos Fernandes: From US Air Force to Cyber Security EntrepreneurIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Thomas welcomes guest Carlos Fernandes, a seasoned cybersecurity expert and entrepreneur.Carlos shares his journey from serving 10 years in the United States Air Force to climbing the ranks in various corporations, eventually establishing his own firm, Agile Cyber Security Solutions, over 13 years ago. The conversation explores Carlos's career trajectory, his views on the evolving cybersecurity landscape, and the importance of relationships and strategic thinking in the digital age. Carlos emphasizes the significance of hard work, adaptability, and the entrepreneurial mindset.The episode also touches on innovative hiring practices, the importance of mentoring the next generation, and Carlos's personal experiences and insights from writing his book. The episode is filled with valuable lessons for anyone interested in cybersecurity, career growth, and entrepreneurship.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome00:26 Carlos Fernandez's Career Journey01:33 Travel and Work Locations03:32 The Importance of Relationships in Cybersecurity06:13 Challenges in Cybersecurity Deployment08:18 Career Advice for Transitioning Veterans13:48 Mentorship and Youth Engagement14:59 Family and Personal Insights16:49 Keys to Career Progression19:14 Problem-Solving and Optimism20:21 Leadership and Influence20:44 Entrepreneurial Journey and Hiring Strategies21:22 Non-Traditional Recruitment Approaches23:18 Empowering Small Business Owners24:20 Immigration Story and Book Promotion25:20 Writing a Book: Process and Reflections28:36 Entrepreneurial Mindset and Team Collaboration31:56 Business Growth and Strategic Partnerships37:20 Book Recommendations and Personal Insights39:07 Travel Plans and Final ThoughtsBook recommendations from Carlos:Carlos' own book - The Big IdeaNo More Secrets: From Hurt Never Told to Transformational Truth by Adam VolantAdam Grant's books (Give and Take, Originals, or Think Again )Atomic Habits by James Clear Good to Great by Jim Collins

The Evolving Landscape of Cybersecurity Recruitment and AI Integration In this episode of the Cybersecurity Recruiter Podcast, Tom speaks with Christian Scott about the rapidly changing landscape of cybersecurity recruitment and the impact of AI. They discuss the evolution of pen testing, the implications of generative AI, and the increasing use of AI tools in cybersecurity. Christian shares his insights on the future of AI in cybersecurity, the rise of agentic frameworks, and the potential for increased black hat hacker behavior due to market changes. They also explore the importance of maintaining human elements in a heavily automated industry and provide practical advice for business owners and recruiters navigating these innovations. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:54 Reflecting on Past Episodes 01:17 Changes in Pen Testing and AI 02:17 Generative AI in Cybersecurity 02:50 Future of Pen Testing and AI Tools 04:42 Human Element in Rapid Tech Evolution 15:04 AI's Impact on Cybersecurity Recruitment 18:21 Job Market Dynamics and AI 22:44 AI Model Collapse and Future Considerations 26:02 Navigating AI Challenges and Limitations 27:58 The Human Element in Technology 28:38 Generative AI and Authenticity 31:42 AI in Recruitment and Personal Connection 33:35 Detecting AI Use in Interviews 37:35 Cybersecurity Threats and Deep Fakes 43:54 Advice for Business Owners 47:06 Resources for AI and Cybersecurity

Navigating Entrepreneurship and Cybersecurity with James Leach In this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Tom discusses James Leach's journey from a security engineer to co-founding the independent assessment and technical testing firm Fortreum. James shares insights on his career progression, the challenges of entrepreneurship, and the importance of passion and grit in business. He emphasizes the value of being proactive, the need for company culture in remote setups, and the evolving landscape of AI in cybersecurity. The episode also delves into the significance of celebrating small wins and the necessity of continuous learning. James provides practical advice for aspiring cybersecurity professionals, including the importance of certifications and specialized hands-on experience. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:30 James Leach's Career Journey 01:57 Entrepreneurship and Founding Fortreum 02:23 Challenges and Rewards of Bootstrapping 04:09 Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs 05:50 Transition from Employee to Employer 07:27 Importance of Self-Awareness and Delegation 11:41 Building and Maintaining Company Culture 15:03 Remote Work and Company Values 17:46 Founding Principles and Company Culture18:01 Future Plans and Innovations 19:47 Hiring Insights and Career Advice 25:49 The Impact and Challenges of AI 33:28 Entrepreneurial Wisdom and Recommendations 37:16 Conclusion and Final Thoughts James suggested: Atomic Habits by James Clear  Getting A Grip On Your Business by Gino Wickman

Navigating Cybersecurity with Steve Campbell: From Navy to Penetration TestingJoin us for an enriching episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast, where we sit down with Steve Campbell, a seasoned penetration tester and technical lead at CDW. Steve takes us through his intriguing journey from the US Navy to becoming a key player in offensive security. With insights on breaking into the cybersecurity field, leveraging AI, enhancing communication skills, and the importance of deep work, this episode is packed with valuable advice for both aspiring and current cybersecurity professionals. Don't miss Steve's personal anecdotes and expert tips on making a mark in the ever-evolving world of cybersecurity.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:55 Steve Campbell's Career Journey 02:16 Writing a Book: Challenges and Rewards 04:03 The Importance of Continuous Learning 09:02 Breaking into Pen Testing 13:40 Networking and Job Hunting Tips 18:46 Interview Tips and Resume Honesty 25:01 The Value of IT Experience in Cybersecurity 27:11 Foundational Knowledge in Cybersecurity 28:57 The Role of AI in Cybersecurity 32:33 Navigating the Job Market with AI Skills 34:20 Learning and Adapting with AI 37:00 Transitioning from Military to Cybersecurity 39:21 Career Growth and Skills Development 43:01 The Importance of Application Security 44:40 Bug Bounties and Continuous Learning 47:17 Deep Work and Focus in the Digital Age 51:04 Bash Scripting for Pen Testers 53:20 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsSteve suggested:  Deep Work by  Cal Newport

Adapting and Thriving in Cybersecurity and RecruitmentIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter podcast, Tom welcomes Mike Graham, a senior technical recruiter with a background in coaching and teaching. Mike shares his journey from being an educator to a recruiter and highlights the importance of adaptability, continuous learning, and staying productive in one’s career.The conversation touches on current market conditions, the impact of AI, and the significance of communication skills. Mike emphasizes the importance of process orientation, consistent productivity, and maintaining a growth mindset. He also shares valuable advice for job seekers and recruiters on how to stand out by being prepared and personalizing interactions.The episode closes with Mike recommending two influential books, 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' by Dale Carnegie and 'Atomic Habits' by James Clear, which have shaped his professional approach.00:00 Introduction and Greetings00:58 Mike's Background and Career Journey01:38 Recruitment Insights and Market Conditions02:29 Mike's Transition from Teaching to Recruiting07:00 Adapting and Adjusting in Recruitment14:44 Coaching Insights and Career Growth20:42 Current Market Trends and AI Impact26:33 The Future of Communication in Recruitment28:03 The Fast-Paced World of Agency Recruiting29:49 The Importance of Mentorship30:15 Mastering the Art of Cold Calling33:11 The Power of Personalized Messaging35:43 Consistency and Productivity in Recruitment44:28 The Value of Preparation48:39 Books That Shape Successful RecruitersMike suggested: How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale CarnegieAtomic Habits by James Clear

From Military Operations to Cybersecurity Leadership: Insights from Jude SunderbruchIn this episode of the Cyber Security Recruiter Podcast, Thomas is joined by Jude, a seasoned cybersecurity professional with a diverse background in military operations and civilian leadership roles.Jude shares his career journey, starting from his time in the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations to his current role as Managing Director at OakTruss Group. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on current tasks, investing in continuous learning, and taking calculated risks. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on current tasks, investing in continuous learning, and taking calculated risks.Jude also discusses his experiences working in international settings, the evolution of cybersecurity roles, and the value of clear communication. Listeners will gain insights into effective career strategies, mentorship, and the benefits of global exposure.00:00 Introduction and Welcome01:03 Guest Introduction: Meet Jude02:33 Jude's Career Journey05:04 Career Advice and Mentorship08:43 Building Strong Connections15:54 The Importance of Self-Investment22:44 Aspiring to Leadership in Cybersecurity23:32 Building a Solid Base of Experience25:18 The Value of Travel and Cultural Exposure28:48 Memorable Career Experiences38:15 Insights from Books and Podcasts42:50 The Importance of Communication Skills45:44 Final Thoughts and ReflectionsJude suggested:Agendas, Alternatives, and Public Policies by John W. KingdomFinancial Times and the wall Street  New York Times and WashingtonPost  Daily from the New York TimesPodcast Fresh Air by Terry Gross

Navigating the Cybersecurity Terrain with Dr Mike Saylor In this episode of 'The Cybersecurity Recruiter,' Mike Saylor joins the discussion, sharing his extensive experience in cybersecurity spanning over 30 years. He discusses his journey from running various businesses to becoming a professor and executive director in cybersecurity. Mike highlights the importance of persistence in the field, the significance of mentorship, and the critical nature of updating skills continually. He also touches on emerging job roles, the evolving nature of cyber threats, and the role of AI. The conversation focuses on guiding fresh entrants and professionals in the cybersecurity industry, emphasizing the need for resilience, continuous learning, and proactive career planning. 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:30 Guest Introduction: Mike's Background 01:19 A Day in the Life of Mike 03:12 Insights on Cybersecurity Careers 04:26 The Importance of Mentoring and Career Advice 07:30 Challenges in Cybersecurity Education 11:50 The Role of Leadership in Cybersecurity 14:11 The Broad Scope of Cybersecurity Jobs 20:19 The Impact of AI on Cybersecurity 22:23 The Value of Continuous Learning 28:54 Promotion Based on Tenure vs. Expertise 30:13 Job Market Trends and Cybersecurity Demand 30:49 Cross-Training and Collaboration in Cybersecurity 32:10 Entering the Cybersecurity Community 34:01 The Importance of Mentorship and Career Planning 37:09 Effective Job Search Strategies 46:38 Public Speaking and Personal Growth 49:30 Authorship and Continuous Learning 54:40 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Dr. Mike suggested: Digital Crime and Digital Terrorism by Robert W. Taylor, Eric J. Fritsch, and John R. Liederbach