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The Clockwork Game Design Podcast

The Clockwork Game Design Podcast·Hosted by Keith Burgun·50 episodes

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The Clockwork Game Design Podcast is a functional strategy game design podcast hosted by game designer and author Keith Burgun. Featuring interviews with some of the biggest and most interesting names in game design and related fields.

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Keith Burgun hosts thoughtful, substantive conversations with renowned game designers and industry figures about what actually makes games work. Whether discussing design philosophy in Final Fantasy, emergent complexity in tabletop games, or ethical design patterns in AAA titles, every episode is packed with genuine expertise and critical thinking. Perfect for game developers, aspiring designers, and anyone curious about the mechanics and philosophy behind the games they play.

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Episodes

Apr 11, 2025
Gamefulness, and farewell to the Clockwork Game Design Podcast!

It has been an amazing ten years! Thank you to everyone who listened! This is a short episode where I just talk a little bit about where I’m at, and why I’m deciding to end the Clockwork Game Design Podcast. Thank you to all of the amazing guests – DOZENS of them – over the years who provided their amazing insights and thoughts on a huge variety of topics. I feel like we really contributed something to the archives of game design history and I’m really proud of that. I might be back with another podcast or video series at some point. But right now I’m mostly excited about making games. Thanks so much for listening all these years and thank you for supporting my Patreon, which (for now) is entirely devoted to making games and running our amazing Discord community. See you soon!

Nov 21, 2024
“Progressive” games and neoliberal ideology with Austin Anderson

Hi all! Today I have a fascinating conversation with the brilliant Austin Anderson, who is I think the last of the guests that I’ll have on the show from the Alt-F4 conference (along with Dr. Rachel Kowert and Kathleen Morrissey). In this conversation we talk about a bunch of AAA games, such as Detroit Become Human the Last of Us and others, along with some of the ways in which these games get credit for being progressive while simultaneously protecting the neoliberal status quo. By the way, lots of The Last Of Us spoilers in this episode, so please be warned that the second half of the conversation goes into that territory. Thanks for listening. As always, you can support this podcast by visiting www.patreon.com/keithburgun and becoming a patron!

Nov 1, 2024
Final Fantasy, Consensual Play and more with Kathleen Morrissey

Hi everyone! I come to you with another great conversation, with another super cool person that I met at the Alt-F4: Rebooting Community After Gamergate conference: Kathleen Morrissey. Kathleen is working on a PhD in computational media over at Worchester Polytechnic Institute, she’s done all kinds of awesome academic stuff on the subjects of games, media studies, critical theory analysis and a lot more. She’s also a game designer who has created what I would almost call an “anti escape room” over at WPI called Memoirscape. We met and immediately started having interesting conversations about Final Fantasy. This was a longer (maybe the longest in Clockwork Game Design Podcast history? Someone fact-check me) conversation that touched on a wide range of topics, ranging from a conversation about consensual play, the lasting role of GamerGate, and of course… Final Fantasy. Thanks for listening! (Oh, and yeah, we have a new intro song. The old one was just a little too in your face for me so I just threw this one together real quick.) You can support this show by supporting me over at my Patreon, which is available right here.

Oct 23, 2024
Final Fantasy, dark patterns and more with Dr. Rachel Kowert

Hi all! today I have a wide ranging conversation with Dr. Rachel Kowert, a researcher who studies the effects of games and also discusses a wide range of other pop culture topics, through her youtube channel Psychgeist. She’s written and contributed to a lot of books (including a Psychgeist series, spoken at numerous events including the United Nations and the United States Congress. I saw her talk at the Alt F4: Rebooting Community After Gamergate conference which was extremely impressive, and we quickly got into talking Final Fantasy between talks. We get into a bunch of topics here, such as dark patterns, games in communities, Final Fantasy games, and a lot more. I hope you enjoy the conversation! As always, you can support this podcast over at my Patreon.

Oct 8, 2024
Interview with game marketing expert Ryan Rigney

Hi all! The Clockwork Game Design Podcast has re-taken-over its own podcast space from the Bannet Bulletin for a week, to share with you this exciting conversation I just had with my old pal Ryan Rigney. His first published game, Fast Fast Laser Laser, is actually a game that I did all of the artwork for, which was actually really fun. But these days he’s known for his comms and marketing work, heading up these departments for huge games like League of Legends, Apex Legend, PUBG, and Omega Strikers. His current company, Odyssey Interactive, is now in the process of deciding if they want to make Byte Breakers or not! All game devs need to check out his blog over at pushtotalk.gg. Thanks for listening. Up next: more Bannet Bulletins, and at least one more cool interview that’s already lined up.

Jul 9, 2024
Bannet Bulletin Ep. 3 – Introducing the Impulse Combat System (and more)

Above is an early screenshot of our combat system in the prototype for Through Broken Land, which is coming along smoothly. The incredible UI art was just freshly finished by our artist, Wizbane, and oh my god I love it! Anyway, today I’m talking about our Impulse System, which is the core of the FF13-inspired combat system in Through Broken Land. Talking about why it is the way it is, how it works, and some stuff about action economy in RPGs. I also talk a bunch about a game I’m playing (and loving) right now: Bravely Default, for 3DS. It’s like Final Fantasy V with Haste cast onto its jobs system. Specifically, I talk about random encounters, and the tendency to want to speed up or automate these battle systems and what that means. Thanks for listening. If you think Through Broken Land is cool and you want to support its production, please visit www.patreon.com/keithburgun and sign up to become a patron! Catch you next time!

Mar 30, 2024
Bannet Bulletin Ep. 2 – The Skill Grid, Characters, and a game update

Hey all. Today I wanted to talk about the SKILL GRID for my upcoming RPG Through Broken Land, and talk about how it interacts with playable characters. I also give an update on some of the games I’m playing. Enjoy! The FFX “Sphere Grid”, an inspiration for our Skill Grid Don’t forget: you can support my work by going to www.patreon.com/keithburgun and becoming a patron!

Mar 12, 2024
Introducing: the Bannet Bulletin!

Hello all and welcome to the first episode of the Bannet Bulletin! It’s still the Clockwork Game Design Podcast feed, but for awhile I’m going to do a series of shorter podcast episodes that talk about what is going on and what I’m thinking about with the RPG I’m making. This episode is an overview – what is this new game? What’s important? When can you actually play it? In future episodes, we’ll do deep dives into other aspects of the game. If you enjoy the episode, let me know – it will encourage me to take the time to make more! And as always, you can support this show and the creation of my games over at my Patreon page.

1 hr 3 min
Nov 25, 2023
The RPG Report, and the worst things in RPGs

Hey all! Today I have a new episode where I’m going to be talking about two things. First, I’m going to report on a bunch of RPGs that I’ve been playing or trying out, and give my takes. I say more about each game on the podcast, so make sure to check that out. Here are some quick bullet points, though! What I’ve been playing SCARLET NEXUS – Extremely polished, simple but fun combat. Kind of “adolescent anime” feeling story, a little silly and a little too fantastical in its basic universe for me, but seems well written. Overly smoothed out, like most modern big production videogames. Bad level design. TALES OF BERSERIA – GREAT opening, compelling main character and good plot gravity. Sadly, also a way overly complicated combat system and overall it has “modern videogame over-smoothed-ness”. IN STARS AND TIME – Very cool game that I recommend you go check out. Great art, great music, good writing. It’s this and Octopath Traveler 2 I’m most excited to play next. Combat system miiiight be a little too simple, I don’t know. Turn based (I think it’s made with RPG maker but they do a good job of not making it feel like it). OCTOPATH TRAVELER 2 – This is probably my favorite of all of the games I’ve been playing, but, I am a little bleh about the way it tells its story. Doing 8 “90 minute character intro chapters” in a row sounds terrible. Introduce characters in a more natural way, please! Cool combat system, good art, good music – overall, good stuff. And it’s actually turn based, whaaaaaat! DONE WITH BALDURS GATE 3 – You know all about Baldur’s Gate 3. Listen to the podcast to hear me say more about it. The TL;DR is that honestly this game’s biggest flaw is the D&D license. Still one of the best RPGs of the last decade, though. FALLOUT: NEW VEGAS – Too depressing and cynical and 90s edgelord for me. Also I appreciate Obsidian’s attempt to Un-Bethesda the Bethesda Game, but the damage was too deep. KINGDOM HEARTS – As much hate as it seems to get, it sort of seems like videogames all turned into Kingdom Hearts over the 20 years I wasn’t watching. Surprisingly fun combat, but forced crappy minigames and why on earth would I want Cloud to talk to Mickey Mouse??? FINAL FANTASY XVI – After playing a bunch more Kingdomheartslikes and getting more used to that, I’ve gotta say, this is a very well made Kingdomheartslike. Still needs more color and sensitivity. Probably just needs to be way more overtly gay. Next up on the docket are Trails in Cold Steel 1, Demon’s Roots and Suikoden 2.   Some bad qualities in RPGs Recently, I wrote about the three most important qualities in an RPG. Today, I’d like to talk about some of the worst things in RPGs, and I’m specifically going to be talking about JRPG-style RPGs here, more than west

52 min
May 11, 2023
RPG Questions, and Trails in the Sky FC

Hi all! Today I have a nice podcast episode, all about RPGs and RPG design! I feel like I have a lot to say here, and I do dare say that I am slowly, slowly pursuing becoming some kind of crazy expert on the topic, so hopefully there’s some interesting stuff in here to think about. I’m also starting pre-pre-production on my very own RPG finally (!!), so a lot of this is very non-theoretical for me. I also talk a bit about Trails in the Sky: First Chapter which I’ve been playing a bunch on and off over the past month or so, as well as a bunch of other games. Finally, I answer a bunch of questions from people on the Discord. Please let me know what you think below in the comments! Thanks for listening. Related stuff: definitely check out my piece on the 3 most important qualities in an RPG! And of course my Final Fantasy episode. You can support this show – as well as my upcoming RPG! – by becoming a Patron on patreon.com/keithburgun. Thanks again!

28 min
Jan 10, 2023
Clockwork Game Design Podcast – Episode #94 – 2022 wrap-up

Hey all! This is kind of a “bonus episode” of sorts, only 30 minutes long. Here’s some of the topics covered: A bit of navel gazing about my own theory and approach to games and how it has changed A short essay I wrote about “speaking the language” and how building off of existing designs […]

1 hr 11 min
Oct 19, 2022
Clockwork Game Design Podcast – The Final Fantasy Episode

Hi all! It’s been awhile since the last episode. This year I got married and went on my honeymoon, so things have been kind of crazy. But now, they’re sort of going back to normal. Over the last six months, I guess partially because I was doing a bit of traveling, but also partially because […]

1 hr 3 min
Jul 2, 2022
Strategy Can Be Fun on our own DRAGON BRIDGE

Today Brett Lowey and I discuss DRAGON BRIDGE, my two player bumping card game. It’s a weird game for me, in a bunch of ways. For one thing, it was my first published tabletop game. But also, I produced it in a ridiculously short amount of time. That makes it even more… strange and interesting, […]

1 hr 18 min
May 16, 2022
Strategy Can Be Fun – Soren Johnson on OLD WORLD

Today I bring you one of the world’s more renowned strategy videogame designers – the designer of Civilization IV, one of the most beloved in the series (probably my favorite one still), and the founder of Mohawk Games, who created Offworld Trading Company, and most recently, Old World. Old World has been out for awhile […]

1 hr 3 min
Feb 22, 2022
Strategy Can Be Fun – Blue Moon

Wow, things certainly have changed a lot since 2004, huh? Brett and I took a journey into the strange Reiner Knizia card game, Blue Moon. It’s… a challenging game, that’s for sure. Enjoy the episode!

57 min
Feb 5, 2022
Strategy Can Be Fun – Strategic Evaluation in Pax Pamir

Hello everyone! Welcome to our third episode of STRATEGY CAN BE FUN. Today, Brett Lowey and I discuss the Cole Wehrle game, Pax Pamir. I think this is maybe the first game where Brett and I’s positions on the game have diverged somewhat, although perhaps we have also pulled each other’s opinions together somewhat as […]

1 hr
Jan 21, 2022
Strategy Can Be Fun – Contextualized Choices in Puzzle Strike 2

Hello all! Thanks so much for checking out the second episode of our new podcast, STRATEGY CAN BE FUN? It’s up sooner than expected — when you have a new show, I think it’s good to get a few episodes out quickly if you can. Today Brett Lowey and I are so excited to present […]

59 min
Jan 12, 2022Episode 1
Strategy Could Be Fun

Surprise! New podcast! Introducing STRATEGY CAN BE FUN?, a new podcast with myself and Brett Lowey. Brett is a game designer and developer, creator behind BrainGoodGames, frequent guest on the Clockwork Game Design Podcast, and all-around awesome guy. We’ve decided to come up with a new show that we do as a collaborate project, one […]

53 min
Aug 13, 2021
Let’s talk about Magic: The Gathering, with two experts

Hello all! I have a special episode for you today, wherein we have a great big discussion on MAGIC: THE GATHERING – something I haven’t really dived into too deeply before on the show. For most of my life I was very, very skeptical of these games – I still think, for good reason. But […]

1 hr 27 min
Jul 27, 2021
Free-to-play, Gacha games and game design discourse with Dan Felder

Hello everyone and welcome to the 91st episode of the CLOCKWORK GAME DESIGN PODCAST! Today’s guest is Dan Felder, a game designer who has worked at several studios, including EA, Blizzard, and Abrakam Games, where he worked on the popular CCG, Faeria. He also has written a bunch of game design articles on game balance, […]

1 hr 18 min
May 5, 2021Episode 90
The Clockwork Game Design Podcast - Alexander King

Alexander King, who teaches at the NYU Game Center and the Parsons School of Design, has been tweeting about math for game designers a bunch – you should definitely go check out his tweet thread on the topic here. It also got me interested to have him on the show – I don’t think we’ve […]

1 hr 8 min
Apr 5, 2021
Talking RPGs with Dayan Radisic

Today’s guest is Dayan Radisic, the lead developer at Stygian Software, the team behind the indie CRPG UnderRail. I’ve personally only played a handful of hours of the game so far, but it’s definitely the kind of game that’s in the “RPG Project” territory – it’s quite clearly super inspired by games like the original […]

1 hr 11 min
Mar 23, 2021Episode 88
Skill Compensation, Randomness, and the lifespan of games with Brett Lowey

Hello again! This here is probably the most nitty gritty strategy game design podcast episode I’ve had on the show yet, which is made possible because I have a shared language and understanding with today’s guest. This guest, by the way, is none other than Brett Lowey, who has been on the podcast several times […]

1 hr 5 min
Mar 10, 2021
Interview with Jaron Kong, creator of Quantum Protocol

If you listened to my last episode all the way to the end, you might’ve heard Justin Ma mention a game that he’s been playing recently that he thought was cool. That game, which he recommended and I ended up playing, was Quantum Protocol. Quantum Protocol is a one-player digital card game that isn’t a […]

57 min
Mar 2, 2021
Conversation with Justin Ma

I spoke with Justin Ma, co-founder of Subset Games, who are well known for their hit indie games FTL and Into the Breach. Our conversation touched on a pretty wide range of topics, from their creative process at Subset games, to the state of the industry, to Justin’s feelings on game design theory in general. […]

47 min
Jan 25, 2021
RPGs and more, with Tanya X. Short

Today’s guest is Tanya X. Short, the co-founder of Kitfox Games, and the designer behind Moon Hunters and most recently, Boyfriend Dungeon. Tanya is also a contributor over at Gamasutra, where she writes about a bunch of game development and marketing stuff. I had wanted to get Tanya on the podcast for a long time, […]

1 hr 4 min
Dec 12, 2020
A Conversation with Raph Koster

Hello all and welcome to another episode of the Clockwork Game Design Podcast! This is Raph’s second time on the podcast (the first time was Episode 37) but it’s always good to have him on the show. On this episode, Raph and I talk a lot about simulationist RPGs, some of his experience working on […]

1 hr 5 min
Oct 25, 2020
Brett Lowey on win conditions and ideal design theory

Hi! I come bearing the latest episode of the Clockwork Game Design Podcast! This one features Brett Lowey of Braingoodgames, who has been on the show before! He’s a great person to talk to for me, because we have just enough agreement and disagreement to have good discussions. In this episode, we talk about his […]

45 min
Sep 23, 2020
Turn Based Tactics Combat Systems, and more on quarterbacking in co-op games

Hey everyone! Thanks for listening to this, the 82nd episode of the Clockwork Game Design Podcast. This episode doesn’t have a guest, it’s all me, and I’m talking about a bunch of stuff I’m thinking of with turn based tactics combat systems. A lot of this stuff is still up in the air, at […]

1 hr 2 min
Aug 18, 2020Episode 81
The Clockwork Game Design Podcast - Kyle Kushtel

Kyle Kukshtel said he sees me as a bit like an “alternative universe version of” himself, because we’re both solo indie devs working on turn-based tactical wargames that do things differently. His game, Cantata, is looking really cool and different, and he’s been working on it for somewhere around six years! I’m really excited for […]

51 min
Jul 29, 2020
Adam Stewart of One Man Left, on tactics games, and game dev survival

Today I had a conversation with Adam Stewart of One Man Left, one of my favorite indie developers of all time. The company has downsized since its heyday of the early 2010’s, and after operating for about ten years, there is now literally just one man left carrying the torch. Adam is currently working on […]

51 min
Jul 9, 2020Episode 75
CGD Podcast: Solo-dev priorities, and Dark Souls with Pete Siecienski

Today’s show has two main topics: how do we prioritize what to do as solo devs working on large projects? And secondly, we discuss Dark Souls and the other Fromsoft games. Today’s guest is Peter “Nomorebirds” Siecienski, who some might know as the winner of our Push the Lane Fan Art Contest, or as a […]

1 hr 14 min
May 28, 2020
Kickstarters and Game Design Theory with Fabian Fischer

On today’s show, we have an interview with designer and theorist Fabian Fischer. Fabian is the designer behind Crimson Company, which is now running its fourth Kickstarter, which is currently doing incredibly well—at the time of this writing, it has over $33,000 pledged (and they were only asking or $11,000)! On the show, we discuss […]

42 min
May 8, 2020
CGD Podcast Episode 73 – Emergent Complexity

Hi everyone! Today’s episode goes into some depth about emergent complexity: what is it, what isn’t it, why would we want it, and how do we get more of it? We talk about specific examples in games like 4X strategy games, and most importantly (because I’m making one), squad tactics games. I want to say […]

1 hr 3 min
Apr 3, 2020
Richard Terrell on Smash Bros and more

Hey everyone! Weird times. I’ve actually been a little sick myself (don’t worry, I’m doing all of the things) and less productive over the past week or so than I’d like to have been. I originally wanted to have a new podcast episode ready for you guys today but sadly because of how weird everything […]

1 hr
Mar 5, 2020
A conversation with Arnold Rauers of TiNYTOUCHTALES

Today’s show features a conversation with Arnold Rauers, one of the world’s most successful single-player strategy game designers. We talked about the business of indie games, how Arnold makes things work, some thoughts on his latest game, Maze-Machina, and a lot more. If you haven’t checked out any of the TinyTouchTales’ games, I strongly recommend […]

32 min
Feb 6, 2020
CGD Podcast Episode #70: Actor removal, and thoughts on score systems

“Points quantify something which should remain in the realm of qualitative measurement.” This is the most succinct way that I know to express my problem, not so much with “score systems” per se as described in Ella Hoeppner’s recent blog post – which also spurred a bunch of conversations on my (now daily!) Twitch stream […]

1 hr 18 min
Jan 23, 2020
“Easy” Games, with Brett Lowey

Today on the Clockwork Game Design Podcast I have an interview with game developer & designer Brett Lowey (AKA BrickRoadDX), the lead (and only!) developer at BrainGoodGames. Under this company he has made a number of cool, interesting and fun single player strategy games which you should definitely check out (here they all are on […]

42 min
Jan 13, 2020
CGD Podcast Episode 66 – Dev journal, recent games, and asymmetry

Hi everyone! Today is one of those “a bunch of stuff” episodes, featuring a bit of a dev journal on stuff like Uninstall Academy (a very tiny gag game I released last week), Gem Wizards Tactics (yes, that’s the name again), and a bunch more. I also talk about a bunch of games I’ve been […]

1 hr 27 min
Dec 12, 2019
Prospects for Indie Devs, with Jeremiah Reid

Today on the show I have a conversation with Jeremiah Reid, a software dev and indie Rogue-like game developer. Jeremiah first came on my radar when he wrote this article on the topic of the “Indie Game Apocalypse”, wherein he mentioned my work and its difficulty getting press and sales, despite the fact that I […]

45 min
Nov 26, 2019
A conversation with Elizabeth Hargrave

Today I spoke with Elizabeth Hargrave. After playing her game Wingspan and reading some interviews with her, I thought she’d be a great person to have on to talk about some of the stuff I’ve been exploring in terms of strategy games and their relationship to violence, both mechanically and thematically speaking. She had a […]

1 hr 12 min
Oct 19, 2019
How to not-hate marketing, Kickstarter tips, and my next big game

Today’s episode is not a theory-heavy episode at all. Instead, we have a lot of practical advice and other game development thoughts that may be helpful to anyone else who, like me, wants to make and try to sell their own games. On the docket for today: How to not hate marketing (partially by not […]

33 min
Aug 31, 2019
BONUS: Humane Storytelling with Jenny Bee

I’m deep in the weeds of setting up the Dragon Bridge Kickstarter, which should hopefully launch next week or so. But I wanted to share this quick bonus episode with you: a conversation with Jenny Bee, who has a masters in visual storytelling, is a creator of games, films and other narrative work, and—full disclosure—is […]

1 hr 9 min
Aug 2, 2019
Binary Goals with Hopenager, and Kickstarting an 18 Card Game with Adam Wilk

This is one of our longer episodes, coming in at 1 hour 10 minutes, and it’s chock full of both theory and practice! For the theory bit, check out my conversation with Hopenager, a game developer and frequent chatter over at the kbgames discord, wherein we talk about binary goals versus score goals. Hopenager believes […]

59 min
Jul 21, 2019
Rob Daviau

Hello everyone! Today I come to you bringing yet another great board game designer: Rob Daviau, probably best known at this point for his Legacy series games, particularly Pandemic Legacy, which is indeed awesome, and which even inspired an article of mine. But he’s an extremely prolific designer overall who has dozens and dozens of […]

1 hr 18 min
Jul 16, 2019Episode 60
Eric Zimmerman on game design theory (also, randomness with Brett Lowey)

I’ve been saying this a lot recently, but this is a big one! Clocking in at nearly an hour and twenty minutes, this is, I think, the longest Clockwork Game Design Podcast episode yet. Eric Zimmerman is a game design instructor at the NYU Game Center, where he works with other CGD guests Naomi Clark, […]

58 min
Jul 10, 2019
Building Blocks of Tabletop Game Design – interview with Geoff Engelstein and Isaac Shalev

I can’t believe I went this long without interviewing one of my biggest game design theory heroes, Geoff Engelstein. Together with designer, game design writer and fellow game design podcaster Isaac Shalev, they’ve written a book that seems like it might be kind of a big deal in this field. To quote a bit of […]

1 hr 2 min
Jul 3, 2019
Tim Fowers

Episode 58 is HERE, with the incredibly awesome and prolific board (and video) game designer Tim Fowers! This was, in many ways, a model episode of the Clockwork Game Design Podcast, because we hit so many different (but relevant) topics involving the process of game design. Yay! Here’s a few key items: Conventions/conferences – which […]

46 min
Jun 18, 2019
CGD Episode 57: Smoothness in game design (and other topics)

Hi everyone! Here is episode 57 of the Clockwork Game Design Podcast, where I give a bunch of updates on the games I’m devvin’. I talk a bunch about progress on both my Gem Wizards games and many of the game design struggles, particularly with the card game, which I’m deep in the design-weeds and […]

1 hr 15 min
May 15, 2019
DanC on the reasons for making games

Today I talked to Dan Cook about competitive games, social games, and our objectives behind making games in the first place. This was one of my favorite conversations with one of my favorite game design theorists out there. His blog, Lost Garden, was literally THE blog (along with maybe some stuff from Anna Anthropy) that […]

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