The Art of Growth

Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman explore the Enneagram’s three centers of intelligence: Head, Heart, and Body. They discuss the function of each center, what happens when it is overused, what it costs us when it is missing, and what becomes possible through integration. Head thinks. Heart connects. Body acts.Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

In this episode, Jim and Joel return after a break to explain the deeper work happening behind the scenes at The Art of Growth. They revisit the foundations of the Enneagram, clarifying what they mean by “type” through three key components: core motivation, schema, and expression.They also introduce a major shift in their current work: moving beyond the idea of nine types with separate instinctual subtypes and toward a more integrated model of 54 types, where each Enneagram type is inseparable from its instinctual stack. Along the way, they discuss why some older Enneagram descriptions no longer hold up, how thousands of typing interviews have shaped their thinking, and why the model itself should keep growing through observation, self-reporting, and real human experience.Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025  Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025  Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Find out more about The Art of GrowthTake a free Enneagram Test HERE.Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE.Find out more about Teams Training HERE.Order our book on the Instincts: HERESet up One-on-One coaching HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.© The Art of Growth ™ 2025Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Learn more about Belinda Gore HERE!Join us as we explore the intersection of the Enneagram and ancient wisdom with Belinda. Discover how ancient practices and the Enneagram's insights into personality can guide us toward deeper self-awareness and connection with the natural world. Belinda shares her journey and practical rituals that help cultivate presence and balance in our lives. Tune in for a conversation that bridges modern understanding with timeless wisdom.ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Learn more about Ben HEREORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Learn more about Joan Ryan HERE.ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Jeff Cook is a professor of philosophy and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast. He lives in Greeley, Colorado, and is the author of three books, including Around the Circle | An Enneagram Book, available HERE. www.aroundthecircle.orgORDER OUR Hunter, Farmer, and Teamer BOOK: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.orgEmail us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification    AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

In this episode of The Art of Growth, Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman sit down once again with therapist Michelle Pruett to explore “faux wisdom” in the therapy world—those phrases, concepts, and quick fixes that sound good but miss the heart of true healing. Together, they unpack how readiness, resistance, and relational depth play vital roles in transformation. They also revisit the importance of calibrated support and challenge, the misuse of trauma language, and how timing matters more than advice.🔗 Listen to Michelle’s podcast “Threads of Connection”🔁 Catch Michelle’s episode on Attachment Theory with The Art of GrowthAbout the Guest:Michelle Pruett, M.Ed., Ed.S., LPC, is a licensed counselor in private practice in Birmingham, AL. For more than 20 years, she has worked to make a difference for individuals, families, and couples by helping them heal from trauma and build healthy attachment. Michelle provides therapy, training, and therapist supervision to share her passion for helping people of all ages find healing.She is trained in Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Trust-Based Relational Intervention (TBRI), and Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), and she recently earned her Art of Growth certification.Learn more about her work at www.pruettcounseling.comSupport the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Jeff Cook is a professor of philosophy and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast. He lives in Greeley, Colorado, and is the author of three books, including Around the Circle | An Enneagram Book, available June 2025. www.aroundthecircle.orgORDER OUR Hunter, Farmer, and Teamer BOOK: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HEREEnneaSummit on the Instincts Signup HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification   About Our Guest:Tyler Zach is an author, Enneagram coach, and former pastor with 19 years of full-time ministry experience. He has written a 40-day devotional for every Enneagram type (20,000 copies sold) and cultivated a vibrant community of over 47,000 Enneagram enthusiasts on Instagram (@gospelforenneagram). Today, Tyler produces 4-day virtual EnneaSummits that feature world-class experts to help you gain transformative insight and practical wisdom through the lens of the Enneagram.Follow Tyler:Web: https://www.tylerzach.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/gospelforenneagramFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/gospelforenneagramSupport the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

EnneaSummit on the Instincts Signup HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HEREGet Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.orgEmail us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification    AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Check out the Around the Circle Podcast HERE!ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

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ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Take the INSTINCTS ASSESSMENT www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

BOOK OUT NOW: HERE Instincts Assessment: HEREwww.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!   Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.   Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training  One-on-one coaching  Enneagram Certification     AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

BOOK OUT NOW: HEREInstincts assessment: HEREwww.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.  Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training One-on-one coaching Enneagram Certification   AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HEREwww.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.  Go to our website to sign up for: One-on-one coaching Group Coaching Corporate consulting and training- custom packages AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HEREwww.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions!  Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing.  Go to our website to sign up for: One-on-one coaching Group Coaching Corporate consulting and training- custom packages AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/