
Teaching While White Podcast
Teaching While White·Hosted by Jenna Chandler-Ward, Elizabeth Denevi and Liza Talusan·30 episodes
Over 80% of teachers in the U.S. are white. But most don’t know that their whiteness matters. TWW seeks to move the conversation forward on how to be consciously, intentionally, anti-racist in the classroom. Because "white" does not mean a blank slate. It is a set of assumptions that is the baseline from which everything is judged; it is what passes for normal. This means if you are not white or don’t adhere to those assumptions, you are abnormal or less than. TWW wants to have conversations about those assumptions: what they are, how they impact our students, and...
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Teaching While White Podcast is for educators who want to understand how race, whiteness, and power show up in everyday school life. Hosts Jenna Chandler-Ward, Elizabeth Denevi, and Liza Talusan use conversations with scholars, teachers, students, and advocates to turn antiracist teaching from an abstract value into classroom practice. It is especially useful for white teachers, school leaders, and parents who want candid, grounded discussion rather than generic equity language.
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Revolutionary Teaching: https://revolutionaryteaching.info/start-revolutionary-teaching/About Eva : https://blackonblackeducation.com/about-2026Eva’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/blackonblacked/Eva’s Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@blackonblackedEva’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evalaurenejean-charles/
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Dr. Pedro Noguera is a prolific writer. Some of the books we mentioned can be found here.
Our guest is Jacqueline Battalora, author of, Birth of a White Nation (Her lecture can be seen here) and, Lucy, a Girls Journey From Indenture to Freedom in Colonial North America. She can be contacted here. Here is the past episode Liza references that explores how to move forward when we get things wrong in cross racial relationships. Finally, the Book Jackie was reading, Betty by Tiffany McDaniel can be found here!
What does Cross racial solidarity look, sound and feel like? Elizabeth and Liza speak with Dr. Howard Stevenson about the need to acknowledge racial stress so that we can be authentic and antiracist in our cross racial relationships.
In this episode, Jenna and Liza talk with a cross racial team, Dr. Tabitha Moore and Erin Maguire, from Vermont public schools, about how they have been able to build a successful collaboration across race to effect greater change.
(Ep 24) Kevin Welner and Prudence Carter, Closing the Opportunity Gap: What America Must Do to Give Every Child an Even Chance.(Ep 25) John Diamond and Amanda Lewis, Despite the Best Intentions: How Racial Inequality Thrives in Good SchoolsEdutopia: Moving Beyond Status in Math ClassDetracking, AVID atmosphere may improve students’ health, psychosocial outcomeshttps://corp.smartbrief.com/original/2023/05/detracking-psychosocial-outcomesNCTM: Catalyzing Change in Middle School MathematicsRadical MathThe Algebra ProjectRethinking Mathematics: Teaching Social Justice by the Numbers
Despite The Best IntentionsLearning for Justice ArticleDetracking.comVoices for Racial JusticeIntegrated Schools
Episode Resources:Prudence Carter and Kevin Welner, Closing the Opportunity Gap: What America Must Do to Give Every Child an Even ChanceCarol Burris and Delia Garrity, Detracking for Excellence and Equity Jeannie Oaks, Keeping Track American Progress report, Closing Advanced Coursework Equity Gaps for All StudentsLearning for Justice, “How one school stopped tracking students” Parent organizations:Integrated Schools
Jenna spoke with Ellen Guettler about her decision to move her children out of a predominantly white school in Minneapolis.
There are plenty of great resources out there. Gere are some to get started.Social Justice KidsRaising Race Conscious ChildrenBeyond the Golden RuleHere is the music from City Love that we featured at the end!
To learn more about Kimberland Jackson and her work: www.kimberlandjackson.com IG: www.instagram.com/kimberlandjwww.mindingmyblackassbusiness.comIG: www.instagram.com/mindingmyblackassbusinesswww.TheWholeChild.tv
In this episode, Jenna sat down with Nicole Post, an elementary school teacher from St. Louis. Nicole describes how she met with and challenged the resistance she faced from parents when teaching about race and racism in her classroom.
Elizabeth sat down with Thu Anh Nguyen to discuss how the pandemic has highlighted white supremacy in schools. Thu Anh Nguyen (she/her) is an educator and writer whose work centers around equity and justice. Thu Anh has led workshops and writes essays about cultural competence and literacy. She is also a poet. Her writing has been published in Literacy Today, Southern Humanities Review, Cider Press Review, and Crab Orchard Review. Make sure to read Thu’s blog as well. Thu can be reached through her website, www.thuanhnguyen.com .
In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with author and coach Elena Aguilar to talk about how race shows up in teacher coaching relationships.
As a follow-up from To Teach or To Kill a Mockingbird, in this episode we hear from a group of multiracial students about their experiences reading this iconic novel in school.
In this episode, Jenna speaks with William Yepes, a Spanish teacher in Cambridge, MA who is originally from Columbia. William talks about the false notion of "remaining neutral," and how his journey to becoming a US citizen defined his identity and his teaching practice.
What can White teachers do in this moment to take action in the midst of the duel pandemics or Covid and Racism? Our guests, Jose Vilson, and Kelly Wickham Hurst give their insights as two educators who are leading efforts to move schools towards antiracism.Other resources mentioned in this episode: Educolor How to Start a Plan and Take Action Against Racism
Founders of Teaching While White Elizabeth Denevi and Jenna Chandler-Ward join third space to discuss white privilege, white allyship, white saviorism and more.Click here to listen Listen to "Examining White Privilege ft. Elizabeth Denevi and Jenna Chandler-Ward" on Spreaker.
Shelly Tochluk and Christine Saxman have been investigating White supremacist organizations and their tactics for recruiting White youth. Join us for a discussion about the importance of having explicit conversations about race and what teachers and parents can do to support White students.
What if schools are doing exactly what they were meant to do? What if they were designed to only educate the elite few? Warning: This episode contains swearing, which, given the topic, feels appropriate.
In this episode, we speak with Claudia Fox Tree, a Native American teacher, about the ways we learn about Indigenous Peoples in school- or don’t.Resource List
In this episode, we learn about Project Lit, which was started by teacher Jarred Amato and his students at Maplewood High School in Nashville. We hear from Jarred and his former student/Co-founder, Jakaylia about the need to rethink how we create readers and writers. Jarred has since switched schools and Jakaylia is now a Freshman in College, but Project Lit is still going strong.
Who decides what books are worthy of study and which voices are included in the literary canon? Interviews with Tricia Ebarvia and Jack Hill.
We speak with white teachers, teachers of color, white students, and each other to uncover the cause and impact of white fragility. With Dr. Kimberly Parker, and Afrika Afeni Mills
An interview with Robin DiAngelo, author of White Fragility, consultant, and Affiliate Associate Professor of Education at the University of Washington, Seattle.
Rosetta Lee and Nathan Tanaka, two brilliant educators and social justice advocates, help us explore the myth of the model minority and its damages.
Our season launch continues with an interview with podcast host, John Biewen- of the series, Seeing White, on the Scene on Radio podcast. Biewen reflects on the evolution of his podcast, exposing historical myths, and making whiteness visible.
In this episode, we hear from Peggy McIntosh, author of, White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack, and also Debby Irving, author of Waking Up White. Both guests reflect on why they feel it is important to make whiteness visible.
What are the costs of segregation and what role can white teachers play in solving the problems that come with racial isolation in schools? We interview Ralph Wales, Dr. Eddie Moore Jr., and Alethea White.
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