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HBS Managing the Future of Work

Harvard Business School·Hosted by Joe Fuller and Bill Kerr·269 episodes

BusinessExecutive interviewsWorkforce strategyAI and jobs30-45 minBiweeklyBusiness school insight

Artificial intelligence. Robotics. The Gig Economy. Globalization. The world is changing at a dizzying pace in ways that will have a profound effect on the economy, jobs and the flow of talent. How will firms cope with the changes ahead and what steps do they need to take today? Each episode features faculty from the world’s leading business school interviewing CEOs, technologists and experts on the bleeding edge discussing how to survive and thrive by managing the future of work.

Why listen

HBS Managing the Future of Work gives you executive-level conversations about how jobs, skills, AI, education, and talent strategy are changing. Hosts Joe Fuller and Bill Kerr bring Harvard Business School research into practical interviews with CEOs, workforce leaders, technologists, and policy thinkers, making it especially useful for leaders, HR professionals, educators, and anyone tracking the future of work.

Series(2)

Episodes

15 min
May 29, 2026
HBS Skydeck: Boosting Community College Outcomes

We present a recent episode of the HBS SkyDeck alumni podcast featuring Aarti Dhupelia (MBA 2005), CEO of One Million Degrees. The nonprofit supports community college students through career development, paid internships, and financial incentives tied to academic progress. Dhupelia discusses why community colleges are too often viewed as a fallback option despite offering an affordable, career-focused post-secondary path, and why employers should take a closer look at the talent and resilience community college graduates bring to the workforce.

38 min
May 13, 2026
Darnell Epps on opening career pathways

Demand for skilled-trades workers remains high, yet many graduates of vocational programs struggle to land jobs. The founder and CEO of Thurgood Industries discusses how making skills visible through portfolios of real work can improve matching and expand access to opportunity. He also reflects on his own path—from incarceration to Yale Law School and founding a workforce platform—and how it informs his approach to building more inclusive career pathways.

37 min
Apr 22, 2026
Sal Khan on retooling workforce development and redesigning college

The Khan Academy founder and HBS grad returns to discuss AI disruption—preparing for The Great Reskilling and challenging the status quo in instruction, assessment, and credentials.

30 min
Apr 8, 2026
Workforce Competitiveness: Business Roundtable's Kristen Silverberg

BRT's president and COO on policy and planning for multiple AI scenarios, work-based learning, skills-based hiring, and the ROI of employer investments in workforce development. Also, addressing skills gaps and promoting economic mobility.

34 min
Mar 25, 2026
Siemens' Judith Wiese on engineering a global workforce transformation

The multinational's head of HR and sustainability explains how the firm's investment in   continuous skills building positions it to handle AI disruptions, demographic shifts, job redesign, and workflow changes. Also, industrial AI, defining core skills, and co-determination.

33 min
Mar 11, 2026
Units of work: Riipen's Dana Stephenson on experiential learning

The challenge is orchestrating projects that deliver business, educational, and employment value. The Canadian firm's co-founder and CEO breaks down the process.

34 min
Feb 25, 2026
Executive recruiting: Tom Monahan on algorithmic power brokers and adaptability

Corner office churn is up as demands multiply. Heidrick & Struggles' CEO explains what CVs leave out and why flexibility and organizational fit matter more as AI and global volatility undercut the predictive power of past performance. Also, AI-enhanced recruiting and lifelong learning.

31 min
Feb 11, 2026
Bank of America's Josh Bronstein on hiring for the long-term

The bank's head of global talent, an HBS grad, explains the value of cultivating careers, keeping churn low, hiring from within, and focusing on local markets and communities. Also, AI adoption, skills-based hiring, the pivotal role of managers, and training leaders to navigate turbulence.

51 min
Jan 29, 2026
HBS Project on Managing the Future of Work 2025 Year in Review, 2026 Preview

Managing the Future of Work co-chairs and podcast co-hosts, Joe Fuller and Bill Kerr, share highlights and insights from 2025 and look ahead to 2026. Top podcasts, research, trends, and a forthcoming book on managing the future of work.

17 min
Jan 21, 2026
HBS Skydeck: Can tech solve health care’s workforce crisis?

Presenting an episode of the HBS Skydeck alumni podcast highlighting the work of Lissy Hu (MD/MBA). How AI tools and training can help address labor shortages and skills gaps.

37 min
Dec 17, 2025
How HubSpot sells and supports its own AI transformation

The CRM vendor's Helen Russell and Jon Dick unpack the organizational and process changes, HR and skills strategy, and cultural shift. Mandates backed by tools, training, and engagement.

30 min
Dec 3, 2025
Fiverr's Micha Kaufman on the post-AI gig economy

The talent platform's co-founder and CEO returns to the MFW podcast with an update on the market for contingent work as AI changes supply and demand and raises the stakes for skills development.

36 min
Nov 19, 2025
Wells Fargo's Bei Ling on culture change and learning agility

The bank's head of HR lays out the talent strategy underpinning its post-regulatory growth push and AI adoption.

1 hr 3 min
Oct 29, 2025
Guest Episode: Joseph Fuller on the TechWolf podcast

The Managing the Future of Work co-chair and podcast co-host examines AI's implications for HR, spells out the competitive stakes in early adoption, and unpacks the technology's disruptive potential for jobs, organizations, and markets. Also, the rise of the CHRO, skills-based hiring, and more.

31 min
Oct 15, 2025
Reading and riding the AI wave: John Winsor on the value of flexibility

As data center investments, stock prices, and vanishing entry-level jobs grab headlines, businesses are grappling with AI use cases and workforce strategy. The veteran serial entrepreneur and Harvard Business School executive fellow assesses the organizational and talent implications.

33 min
Oct 1, 2025
How web data is fueling the robot revolution

Bright Data's Or Lenchner on the evolving ground rules for harnessing the web's data. Charting the boundaries of fair use in training AI systems and robots. Also, the data gathering and analytics workforce.

34 min
Sep 17, 2025
EY's Dan Diasio on consulting's AI challenge

How to get past AI fatigue and anxiety to a more expansive view of the technology's potential—bolstering knowledge work vs commoditizing expertise. As it guides organizations through the experimentation phase and into redesigning business processes, the professional services giant is undergoing an internal transformation.

35 min
Sep 4, 2025
JFF's Maria Flynn on getting to good jobs

What will it take to increase opportunity amid mounting economic uncertainty? The prominent nonprofit's multipronged approach to boosting job quality and promoting equity.

43 min
Aug 13, 2025
Redefining success: Harrison Keller on the Texas higher-ed model

The Lone Star State’s experiment in outcomes–based funding rewards schools that produce “credentials of value.” Can focusing the curriculum on workforce development give Texas an economic advantage and distribute resources equitably?

37 min
Jul 30, 2025
BuildOps' Alok Chanani on rewiring commercial contracting

Admin and logistics can be weak links in HVAC, plumbing, electrical, and mechanical firms. This can limit growth and squander skilled technical labor, to the detriment of employers and workers alike. The BuildOps co-founder and CEO unpacks the benefits of integrated operations apps and the potential of AI-boosted platforms to improve prospects for skilled workers.

36 min
Jul 16, 2025
Cisco's alignment strategy: Coordinating workforce and operations

The benefits of cross-function collaboration, with Francine Katsoudas, executive vice president and chief people, policy, and purpose officer, and Jeetu Patel, president and chief product officer. How better integration within the corporate stack improves flexibility.

43 min
Jul 2, 2025
Designing Equitable Workplaces

The Harvard Kennedy School's Iris Bohnet and Siri Chilazi on the logic behind a systems-level approach to workplace fairness. How A-B testing and targeted interventions—incorporated in day-to-day workflow—can help organizations tap more of the talent pool.

37 min
Jun 18, 2025
ETS’s Amit Sevak makes the case for continuous assessment

The flagship firm is pushing the boundaries of testing, from K-12 through career. What are the implications for the workforce and society? And how does AI change the future of benchmarking?

30 min
Jun 4, 2025
Vanguard's skills strategy for tech transformation

Can the shareholder-owned discount brokerage giant parlay its investments in enterprise and cloud infrastructure into an AI-enabled expansion into new markets while improving productivity and service delivery? CIO Nitin Tandon explains the global workforce strategy underpinning the effort.

39 min
May 21, 2025
Shake Shack’s test kitchen: Developing a good jobs and automation combo

Shake Shack Chief Growth Officer Steph So and HBS professor Chris Stanton join Bill Kerr to discuss the fast-casual chain’s digital strategy and how technology is changing the dining experience and restaurant work, from frontline to back office.

29 min
May 8, 2025
Upwork’s Hayden Brown on bridging volatility with contingency

"Freelance by choice" can sound like a rationalization—or putting on a brave face—but has the contract labor market improved for white-collar workers, as more, particularly younger professionals, opt in? A look at the benefits for both sides of the bargain and how AI changes the calculus.

47 min
Apr 23, 2025
ManpowerGroup’s Jonas Prising on the new global talent equation

The staffing giant’s chairman and CEO lays out the opportunities and risks in the fast-changing and fragmented labor market. Riding the genAI wave, addressing workers’ career development needs, RTO and flex-work, international talent flows, and the up-skilling imperative in the face growing polarization.

34 min
Apr 9, 2025
Redrawing the map to tech careers: Per Scholas CEO Plinio Ayala on skills, mobility, and AI

After decades preparing workers from underserved communities for well-paid tech jobs, the workforce nonprofit is expanding its training, footprint, and funding strategy for its tuition-free programs. As AI redefines positions across the org chart, can bootcamps plus training top-ups, and a mix of hard and soft skills future-proof the Per Scholas formula?

36 min
Mar 26, 2025
Erik Brynjolfsson on how AI is rewriting the rules of the economy

The Stanford economist unpacks AI’s impact on work and productivity, its limitations, and wider implications. He also lays out what organizations can do to get more out of the technology as they invest in the transformation. And he updates his longstanding research into augmenting traditional GDP metrics to capture the value of digital goods and services.

40 min
Mar 12, 2025
Cal Newport on slow productivity and next-wave AI

Joe Fuller welcomes back the Georgetown computer scientist and leading observer of knowledge work, who reprises his argument against busyness as the default mode. Also, cracking the productivity code, parsing AI's potential, and better work-life balance.

38 min
Feb 26, 2025
David Deming on workforce shifts and the future of college

AI's early impact on the labor market: Are claims of revolutionary change overblown? The Harvard economist presents the long view on technological disruption and updates the post-secondary picture.

34 min
Feb 12, 2025Episode 18
Ed Glaeser on Cities, Work, and Why America Struggles to Build

The Harvard urban economist assesses the post-Covid health of cities, rural development, zoning and the stagnation of the U.S. housing industry, the impact of AI, and more.

36 min
Jan 29, 2025Episode 17
Positive prompts: Sal Khan on AI in the classroom and beyond

Will the technology democratize access to world-class education or increase inequality? Khan's journey from highly informed skeptic to champion of ethical AI. The HBS graduate and Khan Academy founder explains his nonprofit's pioneering strategy. Also, workforce development, competency-based learning, and skills-based hiring.

32 min
Jan 15, 2025Episode 16
OneTen CEO Debbie Dyson: Why "skills-first" builds a better workforce

In taking aim at degree inflation, the corporate-led good jobs coalition looks to boost economic opportunity, address skills gaps, and create a more equitable and inclusive workforce. OneTen helps employers navigate the uncertain new normal of hiring and advancement while expanding their talent pipelines.

37 min
Dec 18, 2024Episode 15
Nicholas Bloom on the unbundled workplace

The Stanford economist explains the momentum behind the work-from-home trend, how to manage a hybrid staff, and the new workforce geography. Also, the tech-driven evolution of remote work and the rise of the CHRO.

37 min
Dec 4, 2024Episode 14
Hospitality at work: Bridging opportunity and innovation

How do you foster inclusion, economic mobility, and a sense of purpose across a global organization with both franchise and direct employees? Laura Fuentes, Hilton CHRO, on supporting frontline workers and promoting from within in a traditionally high-turnover business; meeting the needs of a diverse clientele with a diverse workforce; skills development; automation; and leveraging employee feedback.

36 min
Nov 20, 2024Episode 13
Beyond exit interviews: Knowing why workers quit makes for better job matches

Thinking of employees as 'hiring' their jobs opens the way to a detailed analysis of worker motivations, frustrations, and long-term goals, which can reduce costly turnover and make career development a collaborative process. Harvard Business School professor Ethan Bernstein and Michael Horn, cofounder of the Clayton Christensen Institute, explain how.

51 min
Nov 6, 2024Episode 12
Guest Episode: Joseph Fuller on The Gartner Talent Angle

Managing the Future of Work co-chair Joseph Fuller delves into what’s driving and limiting the practice of skills-based hiring. The discussion ranges from degree inflation and HR automation to workforce demographics, skills-based promotion and employee retention. Also, how technology can accelerate the adoption.

38 min
Oct 23, 2024Episode 11
The business logic of supporting carers in the workforce

Employers can benefit by remapping their talent strategies to match the realities of workers with caregiving responsibilities. Bill Kerr is joined by his Managing the Future of Work co-chair and podcast co-host, Joe Fuller, lead author of the project’s latest report, Hidden Workers: The Case for Caregivers.

41 min
Oct 9, 2024Episode 10
Worker welfare: From theory to tangible good

Good Business Lab cofounder Anant Nyshadham on demonstrating the ROI of better worker conditions and getting from academic exercise to large-scale implementation.

36 min
Sep 25, 2024Episode 9
Collective counsel: Corporate law's changing workforce and culture

Vinson and Elkins' Keith Fullenweider on recruiting team players, boosting collaboration and soft skills through targeted training and mentorship, prioritizing mental health and work-life balance, automating judiciously, and making return-to-office work.

34 min
Sep 11, 2024Episode 8
Help Wanted: Workforce boards face greater demands and more strings

With legislative changes looming, federally funded boards must juggle the demands of workforce training, economic development, and long-term systemic goals while ensuring accountability to both local communities and federal oversight. Brad Turner-Little, President and CEO of the National Association of Workforce Boards, explains.

30 min
Aug 28, 2024Episode 7
Marshall Goldsmith outlines the humble path to better leadership

The noted executive coach on the value of letting go of the past, taking candid and anonymous 360-degree feedback, and playing it forward. Also, spreading the word via a generative AI avatar.

11 min
Aug 14, 2024
Bonus episode: Introducing HBS's latest podcast, Think Big, Buy Small

Joe Fuller talks to his Harvard Business School faculty colleague Rick Ruback about Rick and HBS professor Royce Yudkoff’s podcast Think Big, Buy Small. The show is based on Rick and Royce’s popular HBS course “Entrepreneurship Through Acquisition”. The show combines personal stories from entrepreneurs and other key players with expert perspective and advice.

40 min
Aug 7, 2024Episode 5
EY’s Trent Henry on how AI can extend white-collar careers

The consulting giant’s global talent lead explains how the firm is bringing mass customization and accountability to skills building and integrating human and ‘synthetic’ skills. Also, the bottom-line benefit of promoting employee health and wellness.

32 min
Jul 17, 2024Episode 4
Jacob Morgan on managing the new normal

The future-of-work trendwatcher parses leadership strategies, the tradeoffs of hybrid work, AI adoption, skills-based hiring, and the foundations of a good job.

29 min
Jul 3, 2024Episode 3
Adaptable and inclusive: Kraft Heinz’s brand of workforce

Melissa Werneck, EVP and global chief people officer for the multinational food and beverage firm, on reskilling for web marketing and personalization, AI, hybrid work, and collaboration across time zones and cultures. Also, why diversity is good business for consumer packaged goods firms.

36 min
Jun 20, 2024Episode 2
Cengage Group’s Michael Hansen on the employment-ready syllabus

The ed-tech executive on shifting the discussion to emphasize the economic benefits of education, harnessing AI, skills-based hiring, employer-educator collaboration, and the public policy landscape.

35 min
Jun 5, 2024Episode 1
Strada’s Stephen Moret on democratizing access to education and opportunity

The president & CEO of Strada Education Foundation on aligning post-secondary education, economic mobility, and labor market demand. How does inclusive workforce development drive economic growth and opportunity? Highlights include research on the effectiveness of state systems, policy options, and the structural challenge of underemployment among graduates.

33 min
May 15, 2024Episode 27
Can work-based learning revive college-for-all?

Propel America CEO Chad Rountree on rethinking the high school-to-career transition to meet the needs of low-income students, colleges, and employers.