Echo Chamber - Film Festival Edition

So many Festivals and so many opportunities for @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ to shine that light on great talent.Thanks to Franckie Francin & Patricia Chica at ChicArt PR we got to dip our toe into the Cannes Festival International Film & Inclusion and cover an extraordinary documentary playing as part of the Pavillon Afriques x Pavillon Afronova. THEN we sit down with the filmmaker to peel back the different aspects of storytelling that allowed for such an immersive experience. A truly impactful piece of work and chat, that you won't want to miss!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/Vtqy5XlgLz8

So our @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ Festival train has one more surprise stop to make in Cleveland!Shaimaa Khan and the good folks at London Flair PR came through with a new indie short that we were trying to schedule during the 50th Cleveland International Film Festival, but couldn't quite lock it down. However, we got it to work, so we get a story that, through great storytelling, will draw you in, and have you asking so many internal questions on humanity, empathy, perception, and more. PLUS, it will be screening at the upcoming 25th Tribeca Festival. THEN, we sit down with the great mind behind it all and get all the insights and reflection on making this work, bringing it to life, and putting it into the world!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/iLd3WgDECDM

Time waits for no-one, but stories stay eternal, and that's why @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is able to take a third spin in the Cleveland Festival scene!!!Schedules can be real fickle, BUT, Tom Brumpton will always try and make things work. So although things didn't fully align for the 50th Cleveland International Film Festival, we still get to wax lyrically about a new indie short that premiered there with great success. THEN, we sit down with this first time filmmaker and discuss all of her adventures in storytelling. The foundation built with her music career, and what led her to film. As well as jumping into things with such a nuanced tale of identity, loneliness, and the need to be acknowledged by those close to you! A really great chat, that everyone can take something away from!!! AND, if you missed her at CIFF, you can catch upcoming screenings at Kingston International Film Festival, Vaporetta Film Festival (Hoxton), Brighton Rocks Film Festival and 19th QFest St. Louis Film Festival. Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/EUYZGfABcxs

No mistakes people, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is BACK in Cleveland for more Festival goodness!Once again, London Flair PR came through and it was actually Shaimaa Khan who organised our first chat (episode 383 https://www.podcaphilia.com/echo-chamber/ep383) with our returning guest Radha Mehta https://youtu.be/A-CceLRehws So it's great we get to do it all again, for her brand new short film, which is having it's North American Premiere at the 50th Cleveland International Film Festival. If you dug the first convo, people, this one is sooooo immersive in storytelling soul, Radha is sonically hypnotising. Like her work, it's an incredible human embrace, you will not want to miss a second!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/IIYQNbbm_pk

Well, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is off to another Festival, this time in The Forest City!!!It's the 50th Cleveland International Film Festival, and thanks to Anthony Hon at London Flair PR, we have a short film that takes an intimate look at immigration life through the lens of an undocumented chef. THEN, we chat with the writer / director behind the project, to explore motivations, inspirations, storytelling, and a lot more!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/V83pmJ0x9Hs

Yes, people, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is back with more 'Film Festival' coverage, and this time we're headed to Houston!!!The wonderful Cynthia Amsden is to thank for our sojourn to the 'Huston Underwater Film Festival (HUFF)', where we look at TWO short form documentaries which explore completely different aspects of the ocean. THEN, we get to conversate with the man who has committed his life to bringing the wonders beneath the waves to those who haven't experienced their joy in person. We get his origin story, what drives his desire to tell these stories, the challenges, the learning and evolution. Plus so much more, this is one you won't want to put down!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/Fb5NrAnrilA

This year's 'BFI Flare' @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage wasn't what we were hoping for to mark the 40th anniversary (a LOT of flaky creatives) BUT, we made it work!HUGE thanks to Media House Global's Fagun Furia, who came through with a really interesting project. A documentary that pulled back the curtain on a community that never gets talked about. THEN, giving us the opportunity to sit down with a first time director, but experienced storyteller, to really get into what it took to gain trust and shine a light on these individuals and the legacy of their community!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/JrVk8uWlk6I

For the first time, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ ventures into those hallowed Austin vibes, with a little South by Southwest action! And if we’re gonna do it, what a way to get things popping!!!!The beauty of expansive, long-form conversation, is that it can really get under the skin of topics many just skate over, and demystify preconceived notions. So when Falco's Imani Charles came with the opportunity to speak with Maya Annik Bedward about her feature directorial debut, which was dealing with topics & notions not normally discussed, of course we were eager to get that done! And what an interesting, expansive confab was had. Maya was incredibly open about the whole process, giving her entire team their flowers and talking about Haiti & Vodou with so much care, and passion, it was clear she was truly meant to shine a light on these topics! This is most definitely not one to miss, people!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/ugoWcj41RRE

Every year, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ tries to cover 'BFI Flare', and as this year marks its 40th anniversary, we're starting things early!So, to start our Festival coverage, thanks to Phoebe Brown, we get to chop it up with Festival Programmer, Diana Cipriano, and really explore what makes 'BFI Flare' special and what to look out for in this 2026 Edition!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/ieSfrtNYWP4

This is our second hit from 'Dances with Films: New York' for @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/, and it was another great one!!!Today was all thanks to Susan Engel, who really does come with the full spread of projects! This one is a really interesting reflection on time, memory, and how we process things. The poignant visuals and story make a lot of sense when you consider today's guest's background and myriad talents in the realm of storytelling. We were able to get into his latest film, the origin, the process of adapting the Short, finding those growth moments, as well as touching upon his journey through sound and play! This is really a must listen!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/iCt7m4t7fcs

Our Festival coverage continues with a brand new @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ episode!!!We're now taking a look at Irish Film Festival London's closing film, thanks again to Sophie Toumazis & Marcello Aisoni It's in part a poetic exploration of past reflection, and also a pondering on art, what makes it worthy of preservation and how it connects us to moments of our lives! ALSO, we get to sit down with the director and take a journey into his transition from documentary to narrative film, and the interesting approach he used!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/79fP1N7ouMs

It's back to the Festival scene, and thanks to the one, Cynthia Amsden, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ ventures to the 'Vancouver International Film Festival' (VIFF) for the first time!!!Just one bit of coverage, BUT, this one is something special! We have a documentary that peels back the curtain on identity, cultural appropriation, stigmatization, and discrimination around tattoos in the Philippines. It also explores through the director, what it means to be Filipino in Canada and the Philippines. THEN, we sit down with the director of the film, and his producer, to really get some insights into the source of the feelings, why the documentary made sense, what it was like being back in the Philippines, and traveling to Buscalan. As well as the experience of being around Apo Whang-od and her very first apprentice Grace Palicas! We manage to squeeze in so much over the course of 67 minutes, so you REALLY won't want to miss this one!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/DrJjrTiqm0g

It's back to the Festival scene, and thanks to the one, Cynthia Amsden, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ ventures to the 'Vancouver International Film Festival' (VIFF) for the first time!!!Just one bit of coverage, BUT, this one is something special! We have a documentary that peels back the curtain on identity, cultural appropriation, stigmatization, and discrimination around tattoos in the Philippines. It also explores through the director, what it means to be Filipino in Canada and the Philippines. THEN, we sit down with the director of the film, and his producer, to really get some insights into the source of the feelings, why the documentary made sense, what it was like being back in the Philippines, and traveling to Buscalan. As well as the experience of being around Apo Whang-od and her very first apprentice Grace Palicas! We manage to squeeze in so much over the course of 67 minutes, so you REALLY won't want to miss this one!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/DrJjrTiqm0g

We, and of course, that means @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is back with our last hit from London's FrightFest!!!It's another Panic Fest favourite, and had its world premiere at Another Hole In The Head, so this has run the gauntlet of fire f'sure! And thanks again to The Horror Collective, we got to break bread with the creative mind behind this intriguing thriller. So you don't want to miss this confab, as we learn the origins of the story and about the truths in the film itself!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/YPMuprXCsIE

We told you we had more clownage for our 'Festival Edition' of @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ and we meant it! So we're back to FrightFest real quick, for 'Part TWO' of this episode!!!Now, in 'Part One', we got to speak to one of the cops chasing down Jenn-O, BUT, here, we have none other than her mother, to give us the skinny on what went down. And in case you missed the first instalment, we'll run the review again at the end! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/NIT97xCzXTE

It's time for some more Festival fun with your good ol @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ podcast!!!Thanks to Shirly Goregham and the GREAT people at The Horror Collective, we get to dive into this year’s FrightFest.We're starting off with a film that was a HUGE hit at Panic Fest earlier in the year. It's got clowns, and a LOT of intricate layers that delve into the human condition! This is the first part of our look at the film, AND we have one of the leads stopping by for a great chat about bringing her character to life and stepping into this complex world! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/IJ0e3te7k2s

We do not stop at @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ podcast!!!The festivals keep rolling, and we quickly pass through the Queer Screams Film Festival, thanks to Brad Johnson & Rosa Ramirez at FONS PR, to check out a vampire romp. AS well as, sitting down with the films writer / director to get into all the minutia of the shoot! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/PD0HHdFGt-w

Well, the Fantasia International Film Festival (17th July - 3rd August 2025) has hit its 29th year, and @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is here for it!Angie Power at Route 504 PR helps us kick off our Montreal coverage, with a drama that though fused with fantasy, still clearly resonates with the human condition. THEN we sit down with the writer / director, along with the star of the piece. To really get into how all of this came to be! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/RKClR9MV4bk

It's a 'Special Edition' of @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ today!!!Thanks to Cynthia Amsden we got to checkout a wonderful new Short film, which is having its European Premiere (10th May 2025) at the 'UK Asian Film Festival'.We also had the opportunity to sit down and talk storytelling, culture, and so much more, with the creative mind behind it all!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/sxOdX4dNy_E

Time for some fun with films in Germany, casue 'Final Girls Berlin' (5th to 9th March 2025) is here, for its 10th Edition!!!As we do, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ will be delving into the programme, bringing you our thoughts! On the opening day of the Festival, we're checking out 'Capitalist Horror/Eat the Rich', which is 'Shorts Block: 2'!

Today, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is taking Sci-Fi London (14th - 22nd September 2024) on a trip!!!We're checking out New World Sankofa, well some of us are, (others will have to speak to the tribunal lol). This new short is crazy thoughtful, but still super funny! THEN we have a legendary chat with the bright mind behind everything!!! This one is for the books, so you don't want to miss it!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/0Eku-LMFqUg

Don't worry, we're not lost in space, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ still has Sci-Fi London (14th - 22nd September 2024) goodness for you!!!We butchered the name (at first), but today's short has a couple going through issues. THEN, we're joined by the lead actress, who talks about her process, love of sci-fi, and a lot more!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/FsAHw0z0NYQ

This is most definitely not a hoax, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is back for our fifth rotation around the 2024 Sci-Fi London (14th - 22nd September 2024) Film FestivalToday's short is a love letter to a piece of classic literature. THEN we get to have a really fun chat with the director / co-writer of the joint. And we really get into all things sci-fi!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/-vI35PFapmk

We're into our Fourth rotation of the Sci-Fi London Film Festival (14th - 22nd September 2024) galaxy, today on @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/This new short is all about psychology and the way our memories may affect who we become and how we interact in the world. THEN, we sit with the director and writer to discuss how they built the world and all that went into it!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/DTHgVQJjzgE

Warp engines are engaged, so buckle up, cause @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is here, ready to hit the next chapter of our journey into 2024's Sci-Fi London (14th - 22nd September 2024)We'll be checking out a short film that uses A.I. and technology to explore the complexities of love, and connection. THEN we have a great chat about the making of the film, with the director / writer, exploring a myriad of topics!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/WpbBQP7kKnA

It's time for another Away Mission, as we have more @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage of the upcoming Sci-Fi London Festival (14th - 22nd September 2024) for your listening & viewing pleasure!In this episodes film, time travel is bing used in interesting ways, especially as a tool for healing trauma. We then sit down with the creative behind it, and find out about her storytelling process!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/I8WURSUatTI

Your favourite time of the year is fast approaching, that's right Sci-Fi London Film Festival @scifilondon (14th - 22nd September 2024) is nearly here!We're doing something different, as @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has teamed up with the Festival, and will be shining the light on a number of films in the build-up!So, we'll get things underway with a short that looks at loss and our anchors that hold us to life. THEN, we have a great chat with the writer / director! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/1XtQOQYhkcY

It's our second (and last) instalment of @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage of the 49th Toronto International Film Festival @tiff_net!!!Only short, but what a trip, eh!And we're ending things with another gem, thanks to Cynthia Amsden @cynthiaamsdenIt's an exploration of emotions and grief, especially highlighting the stigmas for South Asian men. THEN, we sit down with the writer / director to explore this highly imaginative look at this damaging culture and laying out your personal experiences on the screen!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/2R9VT6Hp7e0

For the first time ever @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ goes to TIFF!!!Well, this is essentially a quick drive through of the 49th Toronto International Film Festival, BUT, it's all thanks to Cynthia Amsden!!!For our opening salvo, we take a look at a new film that exudes Toronto, while looking at the intricacies of relationships and sex work. THEN, we sit down with the director/writer and two of the stars for an incredible confab that will have you clambering to get a ticket for the film!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/ATWcPVNBj6Y

We're on 'volume 5' of our 2024 Fantasia International Film Festival (18th July - 4th August 2024) coverage for your trusty @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ podcast! Thanks to Cynthia Amsden, we check out a new indie Short, that explores themes of love, family, capitalism, human need, and fetish! AND, we have a wonderful chat with the writer / director about the project. Why she brought this story to the screen, building actor chemistry, insight into dialogue, and a LOT more! Thoroughly engaging, hope you enjoy!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/cXFdtAAQr6A

Our @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage of the Fantasia International Film Festival (18th July - 4th August 2024) keeps on coming!We're keeping it sci-fi, but today we have a feature length story, thanks to Steve St. Amant at Quiver Distribution. THEN, we break bread with the writer / director for some fascinating insights into how he brought his vision to life. His thoughts on creating language, casting, and a LOT more!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/HrZHh4tW7RE

This is the third instalment of @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage of 2024 Fantasia International Film Festival @fantasiafestival (18th July - 4th August 2024)!We have a new sci-fi, comedy short, AND sit-down with the man behind the camera, who helped bring the story to life!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/1AFzFl_RIfs

We are back, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has MORE great coverage from the 28th Fantasia International Film Festival @fantasiafestival (18th July - 4th August 2024) for you!Today we look at a new indie short, which is the beginning of something much bigger! PLUS, we sit down with the writer / director and his trusty producer to delve into everything that brought this idea to life!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/ho7truEbeJU

Coming back for its 28th year, the Fantasia International Film Festival (18th July - 4th August 2024) has once again taken over Montreal and the hearts of film fans!!!We're starting off our @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage with a horror, mystery from One Manner Productions & Dark Star Pictures. There's a documentary looking at love, grief, and the power of art thanks to Intuitive Pictures, AND Grindhouse Releasing has restored a renowned tale of sleazy Hollywood from 1973!!!

This is it, the last day of Dances With Films (20th June - 30th June 2024) LA edition and @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has you covered for 'Day 11'!!!Now, this film / short isn't actually screening today, but it was so good, inventive, and meaningful, we had to hit you with a feature. Especially when Kelli McNeil-Yellen had a hook-up for a sit-down with the inventive mind behind the work! And what a layered & rich discussion it was, obviously we talked about the making of the film, but also touch upon subjects like sustainability, climate change, corporate manipulation, and collaboration. This was the perfect way to bring our LA coverage to a close....don't miss it!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/v2d8t3JzrKU

It's the penultimate day of our Dances With Films (20th June - 30th June 2024) @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage, 'Day 10', and there's no letting up!!!Things get heavy this episode, as we're delving into the realm of mental heath and bipolar. It's a raw look through the window of a couples life together and how a relationship can be impacted. THEN, the raw & real continues with a confab that peels back the process, the what's, the why's, and contemplates the repercussions of a body of work like this. Truly fascinating across the board, this is not to be missed!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/r69Kb2lq1mU

So, it's 'Day 8' of the Dances With Films (20th June - 30th June 2024) Festival and the third instalment of our @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage!We're back to films, and we have the world premiere of a new slice of life flick, which explores love, rejection, self worth, healing, and possibilities. THEN, we talk about all these themes, with the young man that took the leap of faith to make his first feature! It's another really interesting conversation, looking at the evolution of a film!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/nnKDWb6b6Dw

We're heading into 'Day 3' of Dances With Films Festival (20th June - 30th June 2024) and @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has you covered!Not a film today, BUT a TV pilot!!! Yes, we travel to Africa for tale dealing with love, suppression, self worth, veiled in myth, folklore and supernatural happenings! We then have the pleasure of breaking bread with the highly talented & introspective young lady who conceived the show, and strove to bring it to the world! We talk about that vision, drive, her epiphany with storytelling, and bringing diverse faces & tales to the screen, among so many other things!!! Definitely not one to miss!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/z9xG1KOqGDQ

We had to come with the @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage, and 'Day 1' of 'Dances With Films' is a real treat!!!Our first film is a reminder to cherish all the moments and look at the sunsets. It's a true life story which will open your heart and dampen your eyes. We then sit down with the man who brought it to the screen with so much care & consideration. It's a wonderful chat about so many things, but what really resonates is the integrity and spirit behind the work!!! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/9kbdOyhiO-U

Just like the great, late Steve Jobs, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has "One More Thing" in regards to the 67th BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023)!!!Over 'Twelve' tremendous days, we were able to check out '25 Feature Films' and '8 Shorts', so one of the great new voices on the British film scene passed through to talk about everything that was consumed!As a creative, Daniel Glenn-Barbour attended the Festival in an 'Industry' capacity, so had plenty of different experiences to those of 'Press'. All of this is covered, and there are plenty of tangents, where the industry as a whole, is explored. BUT, we do lay out our favourite films of this year’s event! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/q0OjnvUdo88

The 67th BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023) might officially be over now, don't worry cause @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has you covered!!!Today, on 'Day 13', we take a look at a highly inventive and personal Short, and then speak to the woman who not only birthed the project but whose story this is firmly entrenched in! Watch the conversation: HERE! https://youtu.be/Py_lAPo3N1A

It's here, the last day (Day 12) of this years BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023)!!!Our @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage comes to an end with a Short from the 'No Place Called Home' block, and the 'Closing Night Gala', a new film about being lost in a near future!

It's the penultimate day of the 67th BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023) and @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has still got your back on what to look out for!We have a Short from the 'Stories We Tell' strand, and a huge 'Gala' film, both will have you captivated!!!

It's 'Day 10' and @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ has two films to look at, as we keep 67th BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023), coverage rolling!!!Delving into the 'Journey' and 'Official Competition' strands, these are very different offerings, but both very captivating!!!

Can 'Day 9' of the BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023) hold up to everything that has come before???Well, @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ is taking a look at a new Short dealing with memories & love, and a feature directorial debut from the 'Laugh' strand!

It's 'Day 8' of @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage of the 67th BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023)!We have three films today, the first is form the 'First Feature Competition' strand, then there are two 'Gala' features that come with a lot of buzz!!!

As we enter the back half of the 67th BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023), we have two features for you on 'Day 7' of our @EchoChamberFPhttps://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage!The films are from the 'Journey' and 'Special Presentations' strands, both deal with relationships and different concepts of love.

Our @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage hits 'Day 6' of the 67th BFI London Film Festival @britishfilminstitute #LFF (4th to 15th October 2023), which means we're halfway through!!!There's three films today, two of which are high profile offerings. So we cast them under the magnifier to see how they hold up!

We are now into 'Day 5' of the BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023)!Today's @EchoChamberFP https://www.instagram.com/echochamberfp/ coverage check's out two films. One's a thriller, the other a romantic drama, and both subvert perception!!!

Just two films from the 67th BFI London Film Festival (4th to 15th October 2023) as part of today's @EchoChamberFP coverage!!!! We have a short film, and a 'Gala Headliner' as we look at 'Day 4'!