Class Disrupted

In this live episode of Class Disrupted, recorded at the ASU + GSV Summit, Netflix founder Reed Hastings joined Michael and Diane again to discuss Reed’s decades-long journey through various chapters of education reform culminating in his vision for how AI will profoundly reshape learning and schooling. Reed reflected on the slow progress and setbacks of past education initiatives, explored the transformative potential of individualized AI-powered tutoring, shared his ambitious global efforts to expand educational access, and emphasized the urgency and promise of harnessing AI for accelerated, mastery-based learning and global impact. https://archive.org/download/gsv-reed-final/GSV%20Reed%20FINAL.mp3 Episode transcript: Reed Hastings transcriptDownload

MagicSchool has emerged as the breakout AI tool in education, with millions of teachers rapidly adopting it. But what’s behind that growth? How exactly does it use AI? And what does its adoption mean for teaching and learning? Its founder, Adeel Khan, joined us to go beyond the hype. https://archive.org/download/adeel-final/Adeel%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: TranscriptDownload

Dacia Toll, Co-CEO of Coursemojo and the co-founder of Achievement First, joined Michael and Diane on our latest episode of Class Disrupted to learn about how Coursemojo is using AI to support students and teachers in English Language Arts. Our conversation dove into how Coursemojo functions in real classrooms and the very human process Dacia and her team took to build the product itself. https://archive.org/download/cd-dacia-toll-final-1/CD%20Dacia%20Toll%20FINAL%20%281%29.mp3 Episode transcript: The AI Startup Aiming to Help All Students Find their ELA Mojo.docxDownload

We’re turning from schools powered by AI to different AI-powered tools now on Class Disrupted!Matt Pasternak, founder and CEO of Once, an AI-powered software solution for early reading instruction, joined us to share the journey of creating Once—including how he started from a low-tech beginning and evolved into a software-powered solution that equips school support staff to deliver effective one-on-one reading tutoring. Our conversation also talked about the importance of human connection in learning. https://archive.org/download/120677-how-ai-can-help-educators-v-5/120677_How%20AI%20can%20help%20educators_v5.mp3 Episode transcript: How AI Can Help Educators—and High Schoolers—Tutor Students So They Learn to ReadDownload

In the second episode of our miniseries on AI-powered tools in education on Class Disrupted, Andrea Passinetti, the co-founder and CEO of Kira Learning, joined me and Diane Tavenner to discuss the impact of AI on education with a focus on Kira Learning’s new 2.0 platform.Andrea shared the challenges of personalizing learning at scale and how Kira is leveraging AI to consolidate the massive number of edtech tools that districts use, enable real-time curriculum adaptation, and facilitate personalized paths for students. Our conversation explored how Kira’s AI operating system seeks to replace static textbooks with dynamic, deeply tagged curricula to empower teachers and students to achieve mastery through ongoing assessment and individualized interventions. https://archive.org/download/kira-learning-video/Kira%20Learning%20Video.mp3 Episode transcript: Class DisruptedDownload

Cady Ching, CEO of Summit Public Schools, and Dan Effland, Senior Director of Innovation, joined me and Diane on Class Disrupted to discuss Summit’s ongoing transformation from Summit 2.0 to a new, AI-native school model. This is the third and final episode in this mini-series exploring new school models powered by AI—check out our first two on Alpha and Flourish. This conversation explored how clarity around school outcomes and model design enables effective integration of AI. Cady and Dan shared insights into the evolution of Summit’s expeditions, the importance of holistic, purposeful education, and the need for a robust technology infrastructure to scale innovation. https://archive.org/download/summit-2.0-updated-final/Summit%202.0%20updated%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ Behind the Reinvention of Summit Public Schools with AIDownload

John Danner, the cofounder of Rocketship Public Schools and now the founder of Flourish Schools, an emerging network of AI-native microschools, joined Michael and Diane to share what’s now possible when it comes to school design in the age of AI that wasn’t previously possible. John explained how Flourish is leveraging AI to deliver foundational skills like reading and math through conversational tutors to free up teachers to focus on building relationships and nurturing students’ passions and “superpowers.” John pointedly explained how the conversational models can be much more powerful than previous edtech applications. He also talked about how Flourish is working to use AI to provide real-time assessment and feedback on student projects. https://archive.org/download/flourish-final-v-2/Flourish%20FINAL%20v2.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ The AI Behind Flourish MicroschoolsDownload

Many in education—and many beyond—are talking about Alpha School right now. Alpha has been featured in dozens of articles in the mainstream and education media outlets. Its leadership has appeared on countless podcasts to explain and dissect its school model and explore the bigger opportunity to rethink schooling.  On this episode of Class Disrupted, Mackenzie Price, co-founder of the Alpha School, joined Michael and Diane not to explain Alpha School’s model, but instead to dive deep into how Alpha School is leveraging AI to radically rethink the school experience. The intent behind this conversation is more on how AI itself is being leveraged at Alpha—from the core academic block to the afternoon spent in real-world projects and life skills development. What’s possible now in school design that wasn’t possible a decade earlier thanks to AI?  https://archive.org/download/116772-future-of-education-the-ai-behind-alpha-school-v-02/116772_Future%20of%20Education_The%20AI%20Behind%20Alpha%20School_v02.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ The AI Behind Alpha SchoolDownload

Diane and Michael sat down with Paymon Rouhanifard, CEO of Timely, to explore how AI optimization can transform master scheduling in schools. The conversation unpacked the critical role that master schedules play in shaping student experiences, resource allocation, and district priorities. Paymon explained the pain points schools face with traditional scheduling methods and how Timely’s AI-driven approach saves hundreds of hours while enabling systemic change and better use of resources. https://archive.org/download/116144-future-of-education-the-impact-of-ai-optimization/116144_Future%20of%20Education_The%20Impact%20of%20AI%20Optimization.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ The Impact of AI Optimization on the Use of Time Space and Resources in SchoolsDownload

Michael and Diane stepped back from their interviews to have a one-on-one conversation and reflect at the midpoint of their season on AI in education. They dove into the evolving role of AI in education and questioned whether AI is truly transforming the system or simply being layered onto outdated structures. They explored a framework of three school models that Diane posed and discussed the challenges of meaningful innovation amidst existing accountability systems and education policies. From these models, they analyzed how one might expect transformational change to occur in K–12 schooling—through traditional schools incrementally changing and evolving over time or, as Michael and Diane both argued, through fundamental migration away from the existing system. https://archive.org/download/115147-v-1-1/115147_V1_1.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ Reflections on Whether AI is Actually Changing Schools—and WhereDownload

Irina Jurenka, the research lead for AI in education at Google DeepMind, joined Michael and Diane to discuss the development and impact of AI tutors in learning. The conversation delved into how generative AI, specifically the Gemini model, is being shaped to support pedagogical principles and foster more effective learning experiences. Irina shares insights from her team’s foundational research, the evolution of AI models over the past three years, and the challenges of aligning AI tutoring with the learning sciences. Irina closed with reflecting on how these innovations may shape the future of education for the next generation—with a hope for a thoughtful blending of technology with the irreplaceable role of human teachers. https://archive.org/download/115837-future-of-education-deep-minds-learnings-in-developing-an-ai-tutor-v-01/115837_Future%20of%20Education_DeepMind%E2%80%99s%20Learnings%20in%20Developing%20an%20AI%20Tutor_v01.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ DeepMind’s Learnings in Developing an AI TutorDownload

Michael and Diane are joined by Laurence Holt to unpack the current landscape and future potential of AI in K–12 education. The discussion centers on the three main AI use cases emerging in schools: generating materials, providing feedback, and AI tutoring. The conversation explores the vital difference between feedback and grading, the importance of instructional context for effective AI tools, and the complex challenges in cultivating curiosity and self-efficacy in classrooms. The trio also delves into why AI tutoring isn’t yet transformative for most students, the limitations of current chatbots, and the need for school model redesigns and tools that support social learning and durable skills. https://archive.org/download/115107-future-of-education-ai-in-k-12-feedback-curiosity-and-the-new-frontier-of/115107_Future%20of%20Education_AI%20in%20K%E2%80%9312%20Feedback%2C%20Curiosity%2C%20and%20the%20New%20Frontier%20of%20Teaching%20with%20intro%20and%20ad_V01.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ AI in K–12 Feedback, Curiosity, and the New Frontier of TeachingDownload

Michael and Diane sit down with Alex Kotran, founder and CEO of the AI Education Project (AIEDU), to dive into what true “AI readiness” means for today’s students, educators, and schools. They explored the difference between basic AI literacy and the broader, more dynamic goal of preparing young people to thrive in a world fundamentally changed by artificial intelligence. The conversation ranged from the challenges schools face in adapting assessments and teaching practices for the age of AI, to the uncertainties surrounding the future of work. The episode leaves listeners with some key questions about the role of education, the need for adaptable skills, and how we can collectively steer the education system toward a future where all students benefit from the rise of AI. https://archive.org/download/114900-future-of-education-what-does-ai-readiness-mean/114900_Future%20of%20Education_What%20Does%20AI%20Readiness%20Mean.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ What Does AI Readiness MeanDownload

Diane and Michael dive into the impact of AI on schools with guest Reed Hastings, founder of Netflix and a dedicated education advocate. The conversation explores Reed’s pragmatic optimism about AI’s potential to individualize learning, reshape the roles of teachers, and revolutionize assessment practices. Reed shares his belief that while AI will transform many aspects of education, it’s crucial for schools to nurture citizenship, social-emotional skills, and a foundation of knowledge independent of technology. The episode also touches on future models for schools, equity in an AI-driven future, and practical examples of how AI is currently enhancing reading and math instruction. https://archive.org/download/113521-future-of-education-netflixs-reed-hastings-on-the-impact-v-01/113521_Future%20of%20Education_Netflix%27s%20Reed%20Hastings%20on%20the%20Impact_v01.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ The Impact of AI on SchoolsDownload

Diane and Michael sit down with Dr. Tom Lee, acclaimed physician and founder of One Medical and Galileo Health, to explore the parallels between healthcare and education in the age of AI. The conversation dives into how Dr. Lee’s mission to radically transform healthcare systems mirrors similar challenges and opportunities in education, especially around the adoption and integration of AI. They discuss shifting from legacy models to more holistic, technology-enabled frameworks that prioritize both personalized service and systemic change. https://archive.org/download/112204-future-of-education-what-ai-teach-us-v-2/112204_Future%20of%20Education_What%20AI%20Teach%20US_V2.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ What AI in Healthcare Can Teach Us About Its Impact on EducationDownload

Michael and Diane sit down with Neerav Kingsland, a longtime education leader now at Anthropic, to explore the evolving intersection of artificial intelligence and education. Neerav shares his journey from working in New Orleans’ public school reform to his current role at one of the leading AI companies. The conversation covers the promise of AI tutors and teacher support tools, the key role of application “wrappers” for safe and effective student interaction with AI, and the need for humility and caution, especially with young learners. The episode also delves into the broader societal impacts of AI, the future evolution of schools, and the increasing importance of experimentation and risk-taking for students navigating an uncertain, tech-driven landscape. https://archive.org/download/110946-future-of-education-from-education-to-anthropic/110946_Future%20of%20Education_From%20Education%20to%20Anthropic.mp3 Episode transcript: Final Transcript_ From Education to AnthropicDownload

Class Disrupted is back for season 7! In this kickoff episode, Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn reconnected after the summer to reflect on how artificial intelligence is shaping the education landscape. They discussed lingering skepticism about AI’s current use in schools and shared their evolving feelings about the technology. The hosts described their plans for the new season, which starts with a broad look at AI’s development both inside and beyond education, before narrowing in on entrepreneurs and real-world applications that could reinvent learning. https://archive.org/download/107817-v-1/107817_V1.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript_ Class Disrupted Returns with More Questions About AIDownload

In this end-of-season episode, Michael and Diane come together in person to reflect on the arc of their AI-focused sixth season. They discuss key themes and takeaways, including the enduring importance of foundational knowledge, skepticism around the speed and impact of AI-driven change within traditional schools, and how transformative innovation is more likely to emerge from new educational models outside the mainstream. Their conversation explores the challenges and opportunities AI brings, particularly in developing curiosity as a critical habit for learners, and revisits how their own perspectives shifted throughout the season. https://archive.org/download/end-of-season-episode-edited/End%20of%20season%20episode%20EDITED.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Last episode of CDDownload

Diane and Michael talk through what they’ve learned from their recent miniseries on AI in education. They discuss how AI offers unprecedented access to expertise, but also highlight concerns about its effectiveness for young learners. Throughout, Diane and Michael grapple with skepticism, optimism, and the practical challenges of embedding AI in educational systems, all while looking ahead to what meaningful, student-centered innovation could look like. https://archive.org/download/96905-future-of-education-processing-ai-in-education-out-loud-v-2/96905_Future%20of%20Education_Processing%20AI%20in%20Education%20Out%20Loud_v2.mp3 Episode transcript: Title_ Processing AI in Education Out LoudDownload

In this episode of Class Disrupted, hosts Michael Horn and Diane Tavenner chat with Rebecca Winthrop, a senior fellow and director at the Brookings Institution, about the impact of AI on education. The conversation kicks off by highlighting Rebecca’s idea of a premortem approach, which involves anticipating the negative impacts of AI before they occur and strategizing ways to mitigate these risks. They identify key concerns such as cognitive offloading, manipulation, and the effects on socialization and consider how this technology might catalyze a rethinking of the purpose of education. https://archive.org/download/winthrop-video/Winthrop%20Video.mp3 Episode transcript: The Premortem on AI by Rebecca WinthropDownload

In this episode, Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn delve into the role of AI in writing education with Jane Rosenzweig, director of the Harvard College Writing Center. Jane underscores the importance of writing as a process of thinking and warns against the “deskilling” of students because of an overreliance on AI. The conversation explores how AI may aid resource shortages in education, while also pondering if AI’s efficiency overshadows the importance of deep learning and authentic writing skills. https://archive.org/download/93863-v-2/93863_V2.mp3 Episode transcript: Jane RosenzweigDownload

On this episode, Diane and Michael welcome guest Julia Freeland Fisher, a distinguished researcher from the Clayton Christensen Institute, whose work delves into the intersection of AI and education. The conversation explores the potential and challenges AI presents in the educational landscape. Julia shares her insights on the importance of using AI to enhance personalized learning experiences and facilitate real-world connections for students. She also voices her concerns about AI’s impact on human connection, emphasizing the risk of AI replacing genuine interpersonal relationships. https://archive.org/download/92929-future-of-education-julia-freeland-fisher-on-class-disrupted-with-intro-v-01/92929_Future%20of%20Education_Julia%20Freeland%20Fisher%20on%20Class%20Disrupted%20with%20intro_V01.mp3 Episode transcript: Real Experiences, Real People with Julia Freeland FisherDownload

In this episode of Class Disrupted, Michael and Diane chat with Siya Raj Purohit, who works on education initiatives at OpenAI, about the transformative potential of AI in education. Siya shares her career journey and how it led her to focus on bridging the gap between education and workforce development. Highlighting the immense value of AI tools like ChatGPT, particularly in university settings, she underscores its potential to personalize learning, reduce teacher burnout, and enhance classroom interactions. Siya also addresses concerns around AI by emphasizing that while AI can elevate thinking and productivity, the irreplaceable human element in teaching—such as mentorship and personal inspiration—remains vital. https://archive.org/download/massive-productivity-boost/Massive%20Productivity%20Boost.mp3 Episode transcript: The Massive Productivity Boost – TranscriptDownload

Techno-optimists have high hopes for how AI will improve learning. But what’s the merit of the “bull case”, and what are the technology’s risks? To think through those questions, Michael and Diane sit down with Ben Riley of Cognitive Resonance, a “think and do” tank dedicated to improving decisions using cognitive science. They evaluate the cases made for AI, unpack its potential hazards, and discuss how schools can prepare for it. https://archive.org/download/ben-riley-ai-audio/Ben%20Riley%20AI%20-%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: Ben Riley on AIDownload

On this episode, John Bailey, who advises on AI and innovation at a number of organizations, including the American Enterprise Institute, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, and more, joins Michael and Diane. They discuss AI’s potential to democratize access to expertise, weigh the costs and benefits of its efficiency-boosting applications, and consider how it will change skills required for the workforce of the future. https://archive.org/download/john-bailey-audio/John%20Bailey%20-%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Democratizing Access to Expertise_ AI in EducationDownload

At the outset of an AI-themed season, our hosts take stock of their prior assumptions, hopes, and concerns about the technology’s applications in education. They dive into where they see it being used to make adjustments to the current educational model and envision how it could be applied to revolutionize learning. https://archive.org/download/our-biases-about-ai-audio/Our%20%27Biases%27%20about%20AI%20-%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: Our ‘Biases’ about AI – TranscriptDownload

As Diane and Michael launch a sixth season of Class Disrupted, they talk through Michael’s newest book, the bestseller Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress in Your Career, and map its implications back to K12 schools and students through Diane’s startup, Futre.me. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-6-e-1-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S6%20E1%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Class Disrupted 11_27_2024Download

On their first ever summer episode, Michael and Diane are joined by David Yeager, psychology professor at University of Texas Austin and author of 10 to 25, a new book on youth development. They discuss lessons on healthy youth development tackled in his book, including the science of mentorship, importance of transparency, and strategies for how to help youth reframe stress. https://archive.org/download/80125-future-of-education-what-the-science-shows-a-mentorship-mindset-can-do-for/80125_Future%20of%20Education_What%20the%20Science%20Shows%20a%20Mentorship%20Mindset%20Can%20Do%20for%20Student%20Motivation_v2.mp3 Episode transcript: Transcript – Class Disrupted with David YeagerDownload

Michael and Diane welcome Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., back to the show to discuss the world of education philanthropy. Stacey draws from her previous experience at New Schools Venture Fund and the Gates Foundation to analyze troubling trends in the sector. The three discuss what funders and operators can do to grow philanthropic investment in education and better deploy those funds. https://archive.org/download/76806-future-of-education-concerning-trends-in-philanthropy-for-education-reform/76806_Future%20of%20Education_Concerning%20Trends%20in%20Philanthropy%20for%20Education%20Reform.mp3 Episode transcript: transcript-concerning-trends-in-philanthropy-for-education-reform-Download

Michael and Diane welcome back Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., for the second episode of a two-part series on the challenges facing K-12 education and promising strategies for addressing them. In this episode, each of them makes the case for one high-impact reform to address the challenges laid out in the previous episode. They discuss reforming how schools evaluate and recommend students, unbundling the core education experience, and doing more to instill character in values through education. https://archive.org/download/future-of-education-k-12-solutions-part-2-audio/Future%20of%20Education%20-%20K12%20solutions%20part%202%20-Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: transcript-tackling-all-that-k12-school-try-to-do_-the-solutions-part-2-Download

Michael and Diane welcome back Stacey Childress, Senior Education Advisor at McKinsey & Co., for the first of a two-part series on the challenges facing K-12 education and promising strategies for addressing them. In this episode, they outline the nine roles of K–12 education systems in the U.S. and the problems they face in playing each. They highlight the disconnect between current teaching models and the latest learning sciences, unravel the operational challenges schools face, stress the importance of intentionally teaching character and values, and more. https://archive.org/download/75340-future-of-education-what-k-12-education-tries-to-do-and-where-it-misses/75340_Future%20of%20Education_What%20K12%20Education%20Tries%20To%20Do%20and%20Where%20it%20Misses.mp3 Episode transcript: transcript-tackling-all-that-k12-school-try-to-do_-the-challenges-part-1-Download

Stacey Childress, Senior Advisor on Education at McKinsey, joins Michael and Diane for the second episode of a two-part series weighing in on Marc Andreseen and Ben Horowitz’s recent analysis of higher education. In this second episode, they react to the venture capitalists’ proposed solutions for higher education. They evaluate the investors’ recommendations and added their own prescriptions along the way. https://archive.org/download/in-conversation-on-college-part-ii/In%20Conversation%20on%20College%20Part%20II.mp3 Episode transcript: in-conversation-on-college-part-iiDownload

Michael and Diane welcome Stacey Childress, Senior Advisor on Education at McKinsey, to the podcast for a two-part series weighing in on Marc Andreseen and Ben Horowitz’s recent analysis of higher education. In this first episode, they react to the venture capitalists’ diagnosis of the problems with higher education. They give their vote of where the investors got it right, called out points of disagreement, and added their own insights along the way. https://archive.org/download/in-conversation-on-college-part-i/In%20Conversation%20on%20College%20Part%20I.mp3 Episode transcript: in-conversation-on-college-part-iDownload

Michael and Diane discuss why America’s approach to math class isn’t adding up. They analyze the outcomes produced under the status quo, consider the current system’s alignment with workforce needs, and propose a personalized approach to teaching each student the math that is meaningful for their path. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-episode-9-audio/Class%20Disrupted%20Episode%209%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-9-transcriptDownload

Michael and Diane sit down with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, a cognitive scientist, researcher, professor, and author focused on intelligence, creativity, and human potential. They discuss the importance of placing all students – not just those that are in gifted or special education programs – at the center of their learning. They also apply nuance to popular concepts in education psychology, consider how intelligence became taboo, and illustrate the importance of seeing the middle way and other sides of the issues.  https://archive.org/download/human-first-redefining-intelligence-and-self-actualization-in-education/Human%20First_%20Redefining%20Intelligence%20and%20Self-Actualization%20in%20Education.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-8Download

Diane discusses Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) with Antonio Saunders, co-founder of Kriseles, a DEI and Business Innovation services provider. The two consider the growing opposition to DEI in American politics and media, Antonio’s innovative and unapologetically hopeful model for DEI, and their collaboration to leverage that model to drive change at Summit Schools. https://archive.org/download/cd-ep-7-audio/CD_Ep7_Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-7Download

Diane and Michael are joined by Ryan Craig, author of Apprentice Nation to discuss the earn-and-learn alternative to the traditional tuition-based higher education pathway. They address the current state of apprenticeship in the US, its role in an increasingly automated world, and how to incentivize the development and use of apprenticeship programs so they can scale access to opportunity. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-episode-6-audio/Class%20Disrupted%20Episode%206%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-episode-6-ryan-craigDownload

Diane and Michael look back on the past three episodes of Class Disrupted’s fifth season through the lens of disruption. They discuss the future of AI education tools; consider the opportunities and challenges as the Carnegie Foundation embarks on creating innovative new assessments with ETS; and highlight how Americans’ ideas of a success are changing and what that means for schools. https://archive.org/download/21f-46bf-9-0070-458a-b-465-ed-6975a-408eb/21f46bf9-0070-458a-b465-ed6975a408eb.mp3 Episode transcript: episode-5Download

Timothy Knowles, President of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, joins Diane and Michael to discuss how this historic foundation looks to drive the future of American education. On K–12, they discuss why Carnegie has partnered with ETS and why they are seeking to assess a broader array of skills—not just focus on the standards that are already assessed. They also dive into Carnegie’s push to undo the Carnegie Unit and move toward a competency-based system. Knowles also shares details on the Foundation’s efforts to prioritize social and economic mobility in higher ed by changing how they classify colleges and universities.  https://archive.org/download/ep-4_20231209/EP%204.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-ep.-4-timothy-knowles-assetsDownload

AI expert and Minerva University senior Irhum Shafkat joins Michael and Diane to discuss where AI has been, where it’s going, and the rate at which it’s moving. We also discuss the many forms the technology takes, its implications for humanity, and, of course, its applications in education – as told by a student. https://archive.org/download/d63c4653-fef7-48cf-a49f-d6cd84e31bb6/d63c4653-fef7-48cf-a49f-d6cd84e31bb6.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-ep.-3Download

Todd Rose returns to share compelling findings about what Americans do and don’t want from their schools, institutions and lives. Spoiler alert! They are rejecting fame, fortune and higher ed as markers of success, and instead want community and financial security. Michael and Diane explore what this might mean for schools. https://archive.org/download/62982-audio/62982%20Audio.mp3 Episode transcript: classdisruptedtranscript_toddroseepDownload

Back for Season 5, Michael and Diane catch up on their summers and book reading, Diane’s new entrepreneurial venture, PointB, the season ahead—and then offer some hot takes on the reading wars and Lucy Caulkins, four-year college-for-all, and education jargon. https://archive.org/download/62331-future-of-education-class-disrupt-ep-1-v-2/62331_Future%20of%20Education_Class%20Disrupt%20Ep1_V2.mp3 Episode transcript: back-in-conversationDownload

In their last episode of the season, Diane and Michael delve into the role fear and anxiety may be playing behind the community outbursts that have bedeviled so many school leaders. And they suggest a path forward that doesn’t seek to show why one side is wrong, but instead starts with deep listening and empathy. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-18-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E18%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-s4-e18Download

Michael and Diane grapple with a concept that pushes their understandings of the test-and-learn approach in education innovation and see the beauty of embracing a child-like approach to learning and exploring boundaries to understand where new ideas work—and maybe more importantly, where they break. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-17-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E17%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-s4-e17-finalDownload

Michael and Diane talk about one of the biggest things to come out of the pandemic: the groundswell movement from parents and others to finally teach children how to read in line with the best evidence from the science of reading. And they express misgivings of whether a legislative approach that bans certain teaching approaches will ultimately help each and every student learn—and ponder the downsides of such an approach. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-16-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E16%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class_disrupted_s4_e16_finalDownload

In the aftermath of horrific school shootings across the country, schools have instituted a range of security measures. Diane and Michael argue that these steps likely have a cost in eroding mental health, which may further contribute to violence in schools and society. The point isn’t that schools shouldn’t “harden” per se, but that these steps are design decisions—and that schools must be more intentional about the ones they make, and why. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-15-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E15%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class-disrupted-s4-e15Download

With declining enrollment becoming a staple in American higher education and more students and families souring on the expense of a college education, Diane points out that this can an opportunity—and then puts Michael to the entrepreneurial test in designing what a college alternative might look like. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-14-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E14%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class_disrupted_s4_e14Download

As Diane Tavenner prepares to step down from 20 years of founding and leading Summit Public Schools, she shares some of her lessons from which educators, policymakers, and parents can all learn. Hint: It’s all about the students. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-13-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E13%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class_disrupted_s4_e13Download

All too often money is a taboo subject in schools—or at least any discussion that doesn’t talk about how schools need more of it. In this episode, Diane and Michael think through how that limits innovation on behalf of students and what could change the culture and actions of schools around this subject. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-12-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E12%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class_disrupted_s4_e12_finalDownload

Diane updates Michael on the latest progress on one of Summit’s pilots from this year and the two then delve into a discussion of how to bring the new innovation that’s working and scale it up inside the organization—and what to do about the old processes that are no longer needed. https://archive.org/download/class-disrupted-s-4-e-11-final/Class%20Disrupted%20S4%20E11%20final.mp3 Episode transcript: class_disrupted_s4_e11_finalDownload