A Tiny Revolution

Brian Murphy is back to talk about his new book, Love Beyond Monogamy! Follow Brian @thisisBGM on social media, Check out his website: BrianGerald.com for so many resources for relationships, poly discourse, and more. And pick up the book ASAP! ... 🔮 I've got spiritual direction and coaching sessions available now for anyone. You can book a discovery call or just book an hour long soul care session today by going HERE. 📲Follow me @theKevinGarcia on instagram. 🫂 Learn more about my work at theKevinGarcia.com 📚 Pick up my books, Bad Theology Kills & What Makes You Bloom! If you like this show, please consider becoming a supporting partner by joining us at The Crowded Table. Paying members support creating free mindfulness and spiritual resources for folks who ain't got the coin for it, and also support the creation of this podcast. Go to Patreon.com/theKevinGarcia to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm BACCCCK. After a long hiatus to get my mind and spirit in order, I'm back. And in this solocast, I share 10 things I've learned whilst being a professional homosexual. If you like this episode and want to support me, join me over at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia. Every week, there's new content added to the community and FREE soul care sessions you can take care of. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You may know her from the viral video "How Can We Win?" which rocketed her into spotlight right around the same time the BLM movement gained a lot of traction. She's a writer, a speaker and an activist, it's Kimberly Latrice Jones! Follow her everywhere @KimberlyLatriceJones, and get the book "How We Can Win: History, Race, and Changing the Money Game That's Rigged." ...If you are interested in working on your spiritual life, need some direction, set up a call with me! thekevingarcia.com/coaching.Grab a copy of both my books: Bad Theology Kills and What Makes You Bloom, available now!And leave us a five ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ star review! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The GOAT, the very first Enby to be interviewed on national TV, author, activist, coach, and badass, its JEFFREY FRIGGIN MARSH! Follow them @JeffreyMarsh across social media, and get their book, Take Your Own Advice from your fave local book shop. ...If you are interested in working with me, you can learn more at thekevingarcia.com/coaching , and you can follow me across social media @thekevingarcia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, I’m joined by the incredible Rev. Lizzie McManus-Dail (she/her). Lizzie is the founding planter of Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, Texas, a TikTok and Instagram creator with over 80k followers, and the co-host of the podcast And Also With You. She’s passionate about a God who delights in us and invites us to reconnect with joy, which is also the theme of her upcoming book, God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us: 40 Devotions to Liberate Your Faith from Fear and Reconnect with Joy, coming in February 2025. Follow Lizzie on Instagram and TikTok Preorder God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us here Check out her podcast, And Also With You  Work with Kevin:If you’re deconstructing, coming out, or just looking to kick shame out of your spiritual life, I’d love to work with you. Head to thekevingarcia.com/coaching or tap the link in the show description to set up a call.Support the Show:This podcast is made possible by my amazing supporters on Patreon. Join the fam and get access to behind-the-scenes content, bonus episodes, and more at patreon.com/thekevingarcia.Stay Connected: Follow me on Instagram and TikTok Check out my book, What Makes You Bloom, available wherever books are sold Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of A Tiny Revolution, host Kevin Garcia engages in a heartfelt conversation with Grace Semler Baldridge, professionally known as Semler. Semler is an American musician and media host who made history as the first openly queer artist to top the iTunes Christian music charts with their EP Preacher's Kid. WikipediaDuring the discussion, they delve into Semler's upcoming album, set to release next month, their experiences stepping into parenthood, and Kevin's enthusiasm for the Dune series.Announcements: Q Christian Fellowship Conference: Kevin will be speaking at the Q Christian Fellowship Conference next week in Atlanta. For tickets and more information, visit QCFConf.com. Newsletter Launch: Subscribe to Kevin's new weekly newsletter for updates on content, work, and encouraging words at thekevingarcia.com/subscribe. Social Media Update: With potential changes to TikTok, follow Kevin on Instagram and YouTube at @thekevingarcia. Support the Podcast:A special thank you to patrons on Patreon; your support makes this podcast possible. Join the community this month and receive a free copy of Kevin's new guidebook, The Big Queer Bible Study, at patreon.com/thekevingarcia.Stay Connected:Follow Kevin across social media platforms at @thekevingarcia. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a five-star review to help others discover the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're back, you heauxs! In this episode, I’m joined by filmmaker Jason Ikeler, the director of the upcoming documentary Safe for the Whole Family. We dive into Jason’s personal and professional journey, the inspiration behind this powerful film, and how evangelical media shaped—and often distorted—a generation’s understanding of faith, identity, and culture.Plus, I’m reintroducing myself and sharing what’s new in my world: exploring how we heal, what’s coming up for A Tiny Revolution, and the incredible new ways we’re connecting over at The Crowded Table, my Patreon community.Don’t miss this episode packed with raw, honest conversation and a whole lot of heart.💡 Learn more about Jason and his work: safeforthewholefamilyfilm.com📲 Follow Jason on social media: @jasonikeler📚 Grab my books: Bad Theology Kills and What Makes You Bloom🌟 Join The Crowded Table: patreon.com/thekevingarciaAnd as always: take your meds, call your person, shake your ass, eat something delicious, and tell yourself that you love yourself. 💖 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

LUKE SLAMDUNK WILSON IS BACK TO TALK ABOUT SHAME AND GAY AND BOOKS! And we giggle of course.Preorder Shame Sex Attraction everywhere books are sold....Join me at Q Christian Con this Jan 23-26 in ATL! Tickets and info: QCFconf.org. Follow me @theKevinGarcia, and check out theKevinGarcia.com to learn more about my work.Leave us a 5 star review plz. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ur fave ex-christian nationalist is BACK! April Ajoy with her new book, Star Spangled Jesus! In this conversation, Kevin Garcia and April Ajoy discuss their experiences with Christian nationalism and the impact it had on their faith. April shares insights from her book, 'Star Spangled Jesus,' which explores her journey of leaving Christian nationalism and finding a true faith. They discuss the harmful effects of Christian nationalism on both the country and Christianity itself. The conversation concludes with a discussion on spiritual practices and finding joy in the simple things in life. April shares her aversion to planned spiritual moments and emphasizes the importance of learning to exist and be mindful. Kevin highlights the difference between a formal spiritual practice and living your practice, where being present to the moment's awe is the goal. Follow April at @AprilAjoy across socials.Follow Kevin @TheKevinGarciaLearn more about spiritual direction at TheKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

BLAKE'S FINALLY WRITTEN HIS FUCKING BOOK!Get a copy of Exvangelical & Beyond everywhere now!In this conversation, Kevin Garcia and Blake Chastain discuss their friendship and the changes they have witnessed in the exvangelical community over the past decade. They reflect on their personal journeys and the evolution of their work, including Blake's podcast Exvangelical and Kevin's mission to support and uplift queer people. They also explore the concept of community within the exvangelical space and the challenges of finding a sense of belonging after leaving evangelicalism. The conversation touches on themes of trauma, reform, and the need for diverse and inclusive spaces. In this conversation, Kevin Garcia and Blake Chastain discuss the need for alternative institutions in response to institutional power, the importance of community and friendship, the process of deconstruction and changing beliefs, and the power of hope and imagination. They also explore the themes of history, curiosity, and travel. Blake Chastain's book, Exvangelical and Beyond, is highlighted as a valuable resource for understanding the history of evangelicalism and the experiences of exvangelicals. The conversation is filled with insightful and thought-provoking moments.Follow Blake @brchastain and at BlakeChastain.comFollow my work @thekevingarcia & theKevinGaracia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Literal tiktok royalty, Donnell McLachlan joins us to talk about a lot of shit TBH. This convo was had at the top of 2024, so if some of the conversation seems dated on references, that is why! Follow Donnell @Donnellwrites on all socials....Pick up a copy of What Makes You Bloom at theKevinGarcia.com/bloomLeave us a ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ review on Spotify and Apple pods, and tell ur friends to listen.Follow my work @thekevingarcia and learn about all my services and offerings theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Let's talk about literally my two favorite things. Follow Dr. Tina on her website: https://www.tinaschermersellers.com/Purchase a copy of my newest book, What Makes You Bloom at theKevinGarcia.com/bloomPlease leave a 5-star review, share with a friend, and follow me @theKevinGarcia across social media. ⚠️BIG NOTE/ DISCLAIMER:  I want to emphasize that the content we're about to explore is intended for informational and educational purposes only. We are not medical professionals, and this conversation should not be taken as medical advice. Psychedelics like LSD, psilocybin (magic mushrooms), and other similar substances can have powerful effects and carry potential risks. It's crucial to consult with a licensed healthcare provider before considering the use of any such substances. Your safety and well-being are paramount, so please make informed decisions and seek professional guidance before using controlled substances of any variety. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

i.V KING is your favorite artist's favorite artist's drummer. :)Follow her across social media @i.V_KING🌻 WHAT MAKES YOU BLOOM! 🌻 Available everywhere now: thekevingarcia.com/bloom⭐️Like the show? Leave a review and subscribe, share it with your friends and then become a supporting partner of the show. join us at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia. Episodes drop one day early, plus a ton of extra, ad free goodies!📲Follow me across the internet @theKevinGarcia, and learn more about my work at thekevingarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

a solocast with me, trying to get back into making this podcast. Do me a favor and leave 5 Stars in the review? :) Love the podcast? Wanna support me making it? Join me at The Crowded Table: patreon.com/thekevingarciaGet my new book WHAT MAKES YOU BLOOM at theKevinGarcia.com/bloomCute Queer Merch available here: thekevingarcia.myshopify.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Let's get APOSTATICAL! R. Scottt Okamoto comes to share his big journey from evangelical professorship to full blown heretic, and author! Check out his book, Asian American Apostate available all the places. R Scott Okamoto is a writer and musician from Los Angeles. He is passionate about AAPI identity and politics, fly fishing, sex and sexuality, cooking, and religious deconstruction. Scot is the creator and host of the Chapel Probation Podcast and the author of Asian American Apostate: Losing Religion and Finding Myself at an Evangelical University, published by Lake Drive Books.🌈 Q Christian Fellowship National Conference is Jan 11-14 in ABQ, New Mexico! Use offer code TINYREVOLUTION for 10% off registration. QCFconf.orgIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is out on JAN 9! preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Y'all need to get ready for this revolutionary conversation with dr. Anastasia Kidd. In this conversation, we explore the intersection of fatness, religion, and body liberation. The discussion delves into the interpretation of disease and sin, the growing fat liberation movement, challenging body policing, the journey to self-love, the commitment to fat liberation, and the dream of starting a cat cafe.Follow all of dr. Kidd's work @FatChurch all over socials.🌈 Q Christian Fellowship National Conference is Jan 11-14 in ABQ, New Mexico! Use offer code TINYREVOLUTION for 10% off registration. QCFconf.orgIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is out on JAN 9! preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, come hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is it possible to find spiritual community beyond the dogma? an actual spiritual but not religious community? Danny Prada has some ideas about that. Follow Dr. Danny Prada across social media @D_Prada💫 💫 💫 💒 The Crowded Table is back. Join us @ Patreon.com/theKevinGarcia (If you join in December, I'll give you an autographed copy of my new book as my gift to you!)🌺 What Makes You Bloom is out on JAN 9! preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️ 🌈 Q Christian Fellowship National Conference is Jan 11-14 in ABQ, New Mexico! Use offer code TINYREVOLUTION for 10% off registration. QCFconf.org💜 ♥️ If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸 Thank you's can be sent in the form of cash tips via cash app $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me: @thekevingarcia👕 MERCH: thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 My First Book: BadTheologyKills.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tara Teng is back! This convo happened closer to the top of the year so if references are dated or you don't hear current events, that's why! Tara Teng is an embodiment coach and somatic practitioner who works at the intersections of embodiment, justice, and sexuality, helping people overcome shame, heal trauma, and come back into relationship with their bodies. A former Miss Canada, she was named Canada's "Woman of the Year" in 2011, received an International Heroes award from the Joy Smith Foundation, and was presented with the Queen's Diamond Jubilee medal in recognition of her human rights work to combat human trafficking. She lives with her three young children on the unceded traditional territories of the Kwantlen and Katzie First Nations, in Vancouver, Canada.Follower her @missTaraTeng and at TaraTeng.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Author of RADICAL TAROT and creator of the Fifth Spirit Tarot and the forthcoming Gay Marsielle, it's Charlie Claire Burgess (they/them). Follow them @the.word.witch and thewordwitchtarot.com.🌈 Q Christian Fellowship National Conference is Jan 11-14 in ABQ, New Mexico! Use offer code TINYREVOLUTION for 10% off registration. QCFconf.orgIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is out on JAN 9! preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today I'm joined by my bff, Scott! And I asked him to ask me some questions and get a lil reflective about A Tiny Revolution and what it's been like to do this for over 5 years and over 200 episodes. I hope you enjoy and I hope you know how grateful I am to you, dear listener.🌈 Q Christian Fellowship National Conference is Jan 11-14 in ABQ, New Mexico! Use offer code TINYREVOLUTION for 10% off registration. QCFconf.orgIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is out on JAN 9! preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My kid brother is here. :) Pick up Stumbling: a sassy memoir about leaving evangelicalism NOW! And follow him @FlanBran BrandonFlanery.comPodcast notes:🌈 Q Christian Fellowship National Conference is Jan 11-14 in ABQ, New Mexico! Use offer code TINYREVOLUTION for 10% off registration. QCFconf.org🕯 The Sunday Coven begins December 31. Learn more here: thekevingarcia.com/sundaycoven🌺 What Makes You Bloom is out on JAN 9! preorder now! thekevingarcia.com/bloom If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

THE BISHOP OF TIKTOK IS HERE. This convo was LIVE at reds beer garden ATL earlier this year. Follow the bishop at KristianASmith.comIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is available for preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

SISTER TIME! My BFF Matthias is showing up to talk on this new book, HOLY RUNAWAYS! Follow Matthias across socials @MatthiasRoberts and at MatthiasRoberts.com.If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is available for preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Class is in session. Dr. Chanequa shares about her new book, why healing is so hard for Christians suffering from religious PTSD, and how she takes care of herself in a world besieged by white Christian Nationalism. Go to DrChanequa.com to get all of her stuff. If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is available for preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

GET IT TOGETHER!Follow Grace across everything on they link tree! LINK HEREIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, go away. ;) 🌈 SPIRITUAL RECOVERY FALL COHORT! 10 Weeks of learning how to create your living practice. Starts Sept 11. Apply at thekevingarcia.com/cohort💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is available for preorder now! thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your spirtually sassy sibling is here to talk about all the ways we're being held back. Go follow Sah @SahDSimone across socials. Get his book. Etc! If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌈 SPIRITUAL RECOVERY FALL COHORT! 10 Weeks of learning how to create your living practice. Starts Sept 11. Apply at thekevingarcia.com/cohort💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is available for preorder now! thekevingarcia.com/bloom 📖 Grab my first book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's @thelocalhertic himself, Josh Kaiser! If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is available for preorder now!thekevingarcia.com/bloom 🌈 Queer Kin Retreat! Aug. 17-20 at Seven Springs Retreat near Knoxville. Spots are limited. Deadline is July 30. thekevingarcia.com/retreat🤔 Deconstructing your faith? Feeling stuck in the fear of changing beliefs? Don’t do it alone. Set up a free call to see if coaching with me could help: thekevingarcia.com/coaching 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

YOU GET A HUG AND YOU GET A HUG! Go to FreeMomHugs.org to connect with Sara Cunningham and all her dope work. ___If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 🔮 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot + coaching session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 🌺 What Makes You Bloom is available for Pre-order now! thekevingarcia.com/bloom📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, come hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He deconstructed at the same time as we did, y'all. (if ur a millennial.)Listen to The Jesus Hypothesis everywhere streams are streamed. And follow derek @derekwebb and at DerekWebb.com.//LIVE EVENTS:🤟🏽LOVE HARD/LIVE TRUE: a (mostly) men's retreat. Aug 4-5 in ATL.🎟Get Tickets Here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/love-hardlive-true-a-mostly-mens-retreat-tickets-658029914187?aff=oddtdtcreator🌈 QUEER KIN WEEKEND! Aug 17-20 near Knoxville, TN.🎟 thekevingarcia.com/retreat//⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review and share this!⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 🔮 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot + coaching session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

She's the shame-slaying, hip-swaying Bible Belt Baby! It's FLAMY GRANT!Connect with her @FlamyGrant across social media and stream the album on all platforms. ...LIVE EVENTS:🤟🏽LOVE HARD/LIVE TRUE: a (mostly) men's retreat. Aug 4-5 in ATL. 🎟Get Tickets Here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/love-hardlive-true-a-mostly-mens-retreat-tickets-658029914187?aff=oddtdtcreator🌈 QUEER KIN WEEKEND! Aug 17-20 near Knoxville, TN.🎟 thekevingarcia.com/retreat// ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review and share this!⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 🔮 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot + coaching session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rae McDaniel (they/them) is a non-binary Therapist, Certified Sex Therapist, Coach, and Transgender Diversity and Inclusion educator. They are founder and CEO of Practical Audacity, a Gender ) 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia ☀️ Spiritual Recovery Summer Cohort begins June 2! Applications due May 16. Get the details and apply at thekevingarcia.com/cohort🔮 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot + coaching session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 🌺 Wild Spirit Weekend: a retreat for exvies and spiritual nomads. Aug 17-20. Thekevingarcia.com/retreat 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rev. Benjamin Perry is Minister of Outreach and Media Strategy at Middle Church, and author of Cry, Baby: Why Our Tears Matter, published by Broadleaf Books, May 2023.An award-winning writer, his work focuses on the intersection of religion and politics. Their writing can be found in outlets like The Atlantic, The Washington Post, Slate, The Huffington Post, Sojourners, Bustle and Motherboard and he has appeared on MSNBC, Al Jazeera, and NY1. They hold a degree in psychology from SUNY Geneseo and a Masters of Divinity from Union Theological Seminary.Follow them across social media @FaithfullyBP_____🌺 Spiritual Recovery Summer Cohort starts June 2. Doors close May 31. Get all the info and apply here: thekevingarcia.com/cohortIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia ☀️ Spiritual Recovery Summer Cohort begins June 2! Applications due May 16. Get the details and apply at thekevingarcia.com/cohort🔮 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot + coaching session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 🌺 Wild Spirit Weekend: retreat for exvies and spiritual nomads. Aug 17-20. Thekevingarcia.com/retreat 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You know her as the feral pastors wife, i know her as my new friend Emily. She's a religious deconstruction advocate, content creator, and community organizer in Nashville, TN. I'm the creator of Feral Pastor's Wife, a TikTok account with 91k+ followers, and Feral Ministries, a refuge for those questioning faith.Follow her @feral_pastors_wifeAPPLY FOR THE SUMMER COHORT: HTTP://thekevingarcia.com/cohortMERCH ON SALE! Use code PRIDE20 for 20% off ur whole order. HTTP://thekevingarcia.myshopify.com📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.comIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia ☀️ Spiritual Recovery Summer Cohort begins June 2! Applications are due May 19. Get the details and apply at thekevingarcia.com/cohort🔮 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot + coaching session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 🌺 Wild Spirit Weekend: retreat for exvies and spiritual nomads. Aug 17-20. Thekevingarcia.com/retreat 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, com e hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your fave tiktoker is here. :)Follow April @AprilAjoy on all platforms.If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 📕 Get my book! #BadTheologyKills, available worldwide at BadTheologyKills.com💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 🔮 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot + coaching session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 🌺 Wild Spirit Weekend: retreat for exvies and spiritual nomads. Aug 17-20. Thekevingarcia.com/retreat 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, come hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He was raised southern evangelical and grew up to be the first Trans man ordained in the Old Catholic Order of priests. Dig in.Follow @shannonTLkearns across social media, and pick up the book In The Margins: A Transgender Man's Journey with Scripture, from your local indie book shop.If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 💸if this was helpful for you and you wanna leave a lil tip, send it to Cash App $thekevingarcia, venmo @thekevingarcia, or PayPal.me/thekevingarcia 🤔 looking for some guidance? Book a tarot session with me. Tap the Link in my bio to book. Use code 1111vibes for 11% off ur first sesh. 🌺 Wild Spirit Weekend: retreat for exvies and spiritual nomads. Aug 17-20. Thekevingarcia.com/retreat 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🎧 A Tiny Revolution: a podcast about ordinary folks living revolutionary lives. Listen to all the where! 🏠 If you’re looking for a community outside of the bullshit online, come hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lesbihonest. Follow Sarah Auna @Sarah_Auna and BUY HERE BOOK HERE! If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 🏖 Living Practice Summer School starts May 13. Learn more at thekevingarcia.com/summerschool📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia👕 you need cuter gayer clothes. Go grab something cute in my merch store thekevingarcia.myshopify.com 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, come hang out at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Marcie is back! Marcie Alvis Walker is the creator of the popular Instagram feed Black Coffee with White Friends. She is also the creator of Black Eyed Bible Stories. Marcie is passionate about what it means to embrace intersectionality, diversity, and inclusion in our spiritual lives. Be sure to connect with her @blackcofeewithwhitefriendsHer new book EVERYBODY COME ALIVE is available for preorder. ⛪️ If you're looking for community while you deconstruct, hang out with us at theCrowdedTable. We're living over at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia 🧘🏻‍♂️ I teach people how to get spiritually unstuck. Come join the Spiritual Recovery Workshop at thekevingarcia.com/workshop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, we talk with Arielle Estoria, a writer, poet, actor, and activist. Arielle is the author of the upcoming book "The Unfolding," which is set to release on March 7, 2023. You can follow Arielle on social media at @arielleestoria.During our conversation, we dive into Arielle's creative process and how she uses her art to explore themes of identity, purpose, and spirituality. We also discuss her advocacy work and the importance of using one's platform to promote positive change in the world.To support this podcast and gain access to exclusive content, please join us on Patreon at Patreon.com/thekevingarcia. Additionally, if you're interested in learning more about working with Kevin, check out their workshop at theKevinGarcia.com/workshop. And don't forget to check out Kevin's other project, Bad Theology Kills, at BadTheologyKills.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jenny's here to get white people together for racial justice.Jenny Booth Potter is a creative producer, storyteller, and co-host of The Next Question, a web series about expanding our imagination for racial justice. She has co-led racial justice trainings across the country for churches and organizations, and is the Chief Content Officer of HerSelf Media, a company that aims to create stories that empower and bring joy to Black women. Jenny and her husband, John, make their home outside of Chicago with their two boys and one wild puppy.Pick up a copy of her new book, Doing Nothing Is No Longer an Option, from her website. https://www.jennyboothpotter.com/If you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, just go away. ;) 📲 Follow me across social media @thekevingarcia📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at BadTheologyKills.com🖕 Take the Ex-Missionary research survey! For future podcast projects. Click Here. 🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, come hang out at The Crowded Table. 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at theKevinGarcia.com🏖 Costa Rica 2023! Space is limited and early bird pricing ends soon! Get details and save your spot!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you don't already follow J.Crum on social media, get on his TikTok immediately, and then immediately download his new album, VALIANT available all over the place. ALL MY LINKS: HTTP://linktr.ee/thekevingarciaIf you like the show, leave us a 5 Star Review ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ if you didn’t, go away. ;) 📖 Grab my book, Bad Theology Kills at HTTP://BadTheologyKills.com🖕 Take the Ex-Missionary research survey! For future podcast projects. HTTP://bit.ly/exmissionary🏠 If you’re looking for community outside of the bullshit online, come hang out at The Crowded Table. HTTP://thecrowdedtable.mn.co 🙏🏽 In need of support? I’ve got a number of ways to plug in at HTTP://theKevinGarcia.com🏖 Costa Rica 2023! Space is limited and early bird pricing ends soon! HTTP://linktr.ee/thekevingarcia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Danté Stewart is an award-winning writer, speaker and author of Shoutin' In The Fire: An American Epistle. Named by Georgia Writers Association as "Georgia Writer of the Year” 2022 (Memoir); by The Center for American Progress as one of "22 Faith Leaders to Watch in 2022"; and by Religion News Service as one of "Ten Up-And-Coming Faith Influencers," his work has appeared in the The Atlantic, New York Times, the Washington Post, TIME, ESPN's Andscape, Oxford American, Sojourners, NPR, CNN, Parents, and more.He received his B.A. in Sociology from Clemson University. He is currently studying at the Candler School of Theology at Emory University in Atlanta, Ga. Follow him at @DanteStewart. check out his work at DanteCStewart.com. Be sure to follow me @thekevingarcia, theKevinGarcia.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The host of Straight White American Jesus, author and professor, Brad Onishi joins us to talk about what the hell is going on America right now, the threat of American evangelicals, Christian nationalism, and what we haven't been paying attention to that we need to. Follow Brad @bbonishi. And listen to Straight White American Jesus wherever you listen to pods.Wanna support the show + join a dope community? Hit up: theCrowdedTable.mn.co. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Trigger warning: grab a fucking tissue box. Garrison Hayes joins me to talk about his work as a maker on TikTok, as well as his own history with church shit, and we also start talking about the grief of losing our parents, specifically our dads. So welcome. It's a snotty one.Follow Garrison on TikTok @GarrisonHayes Follow me @TheKevinGarciaJoin The Crowded Table Community! theCrowdedTable.mn.coTHEOLOGY BEER CAMP! OCTOBER 13-15! Chapel Hill NC! Tickets: www.theologybeer.camp, use offercode FAVEAUNTS for $50 off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mysitc Catholicism? Tarot and christianity? Brittany Muller is here to talk about it all and her new book The Contemplative Tarot: a Christian Guide to the Cards.Follow her work @Blessed.Vigil.Join the Tarot's Cool Workshop at thekevingarcia.com/tarotworkshopJoin The Crowded Table @ theCrowdedTable.mn.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Damon Garcia (he/him) is a writer, video essayist, and public theologian for a liberative Christianity. His work is inspired by liberation theology, decolonial theory, and anti-capitalist politics as he helps people unsettle and untangle the influence of Christian teachings developed to justify colonization. He is the author of The God Who Riots: Taking Back the Radical Jesus (Broadleaf Books, 2022). He lives in Santa Maria, California.Follow @whoisDamon...Follow me across social media @thekevingarciaJoin the community at The Crowded Table. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Malynda Hale is the host of We Need To Talk. We talk faith, deconstruction, entertainment, whiteness, y mas.Follow @MalyndaHale all the places.Events!Q Worship Collective Weekend! Aug 25-28 in the LA Area! Get TicketsTHEOLOGY BEER CAMP: Chapel Hill, NC, Oct 13-15. Use code FAVAUNTS for $50 off registration. TICKETS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Let's ask the tough questions. Like WTF America? This is part one in the series on Christian nationalism, the current status of Church and state, and what maybe we can do about this. Follow Tim @theNewEvangelicals.Join the Fall Cohort: thekevingarcia.com/cohort Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tripp Fuller and me shoot the shit and get weird. Follow Tripp @TrippFuller and TrippFuller.comjoin the community: thecrowdedtable.mn.coApply For the Fall Cohort '22 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Y'all A convo that I've wanted to have for a long time. @Prophiphop joins me to talk about his journey in music, within Christian music industry stuff, and we also talk about how and when he became affirming of queer people. Share this far and wide. I think you're gonna love it. Follow Propaganda @Prophiphop and at Prophiphop.comJoin the community and support the show by going to TheCrowdedTable.mn.coGrab you some Merch! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Both grew up evanglical. Both were very afraid to be themselves. Both are now creating space to let other queer folks know that no one can take God away from you.All month long we're gonna be talking to and about QUEERS and QUEER SHIT. Which is normal for us on ATR. But we gonna keep going.Follow Yass Jesus where you listen to pods. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices