May 14, 2025
BTC234: Bitcoin Torque, Saylor's Playbook w/ Andy Edstrom (Bitcoin Podcast)
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Andy Edstrom unpacks whether Bitcoin is truly the last asymmetric bet for companies, diving into MicroStrategy's model, capital structure risks, and Bitcoin's rising institutional role. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 03:40 - Why Michael Saylor calls Bitcoin a lifeline for “zombie companies” 05:20 - How Bitcoin’s returns compare to traditional assets over the last decade 07:10 - The strategic and accounting evolution enabling Bitcoin treasury allocations 12:00 - MicroStrategy’s premium-to-NAV strategy and its replicability 15:40 - Risks and rewards of BTC-backed leverage and convertible notes 18:05 - The logic behind “torque” metrics in Bitcoin-financed capital structures 21:10 - If preferred shares like STRK and STRF are innovative or dangerous 23:05 - Wall Street’s changing views on Bitcoin-leveraged equity plays 27:20 - Legal and governance hurdles in corporate Bitcoin adoption 29:10 - What a BTC-heavy balance sheet should do during a major drawdown Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Andy’s X Account . Microstrategy Shareholders’ Meeting: Q1 2025 Earnings Call . Michael Saylor’s speech at Strategy World: Bitcoin for Corporations 2025 Keynote Speech . Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes here . Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed . NEW TO THE SHOW? Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok . Check out our Bitcoin Fundamentals Starter Packs . Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here . Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance Tool . Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services . Get smarter about valuing businesses in just a few minutes each week through our newsletter, The Intrinsic Value Newsletter . Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts . SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors : SimpleMining Hardblock AnchorWatch Human Rights Foundation Cape Unchained Vanta Shopify Onramp Abundant Mines HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Spotify ! It takes less than 30 seconds, and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it! Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://premium.theinvestorspodcast.com/ Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm