About this episode
In 2014, Amber Ruffin became the first black woman to write for a late-night network comedy when she joined NBC's Late Night with Seth Meyers . On The Gist, Ruffin explains the banality of being a trailblazer: "We're just dicking around in a different room." For the Spiel, the dogged defenders of Donald Trump. Panoply survey We want you to tell us about the podcasts you enjoy and how often you listen to them. So we created a survey that takes just a couple of minutes to complete. If you fill it out, you'll help Panoply make great podcasts about the things you love—and things you didn't even know you loved. To fill out the survey, just go to megaphone.fm/survey . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices