About this episode
On The Gist, Trump's trade war with China. In the interview, Mike talks to writer Elaina Plott about her reporting on Rudy Giuliani , new White House counsel Pat Cipollone, and the future of the impeachment hearings. Plott is a staff writer at the Atlantic. Read her work here . In the Spiel, the CNN LGBTQ+ Equality Town Hall. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices