About this episode
On The Gist, when your sympathy for the poor goes beyond platitudes, Paul Ryan fires you. In the interview, the New York Times' Rukmini Callimachi has a new podcast. Caliphate lays out how she knows what she knows about ISIS. Through her reporting in Iraq, she's learned how the group endeared itself to locals with services as simple as garbage collection. And though the would-be Islamic State has fallen, the extremists behind it persist as an insurgency. In the Spiel, there is no Spiel! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices