About this episode
On the Gist, the knife-wielding skills of Nancy Pelosi. In the interview, An Xiao Mina has tracked the meme from its goofy origins to its use in anti-authoritarian protest and (more recently) disinformation. What's next, and how can we minimize the harm caused by the internet's worst actors? An Xiao Mina is the author of Memes to Movements: How the World's Most Viral Media Is Changing Social Protest and Power . In the Spiel, Pelosi can't go to Afghanistan because Trump is one impetuous manbaby. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices