About this episode
We begin this installment of Best Of The Gist with the latest episode of our new podcast Not Even Mad , in which hosts Mike Pesca, Virginia Heffernan, and Jamie Kirchick discuss the politics of parsing crime statistics. Then we listen back to Mike's June 11, 2020 interview with John Pfaff, professor of law and criminology at Fordham University and author of Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration, And How To Achieve Real Reform. They talk about police reform and why politicians touting low crime under their watches could lead to more dysfunction. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Not Even Mad Theme Song by Max Kerman Subscribe to Not Even Mad on Apple , or wherever you are listening to this. Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices