About this episode
Brought to you by LinkedIn Jobs recruitment platform with 900M+ users, Pique premium pu’er tea crystals, and Eight Sleep’s Pod Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating. Kevin Kelly ( @kevin2kelly ) helped launch and edit Wired magazine. He has written for The New York Times , and The Wall Street Journal , among many other publications. He is the author of the new book Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I'd Known Earlier . Other books by Kevin Kelly include Out of Control , the 1994 classic book on decentralized emergent systems; The Silver Cord , a graphic novel about robots and angels; What Technology Wants , a robust theory of technology; Vanishing Asia , his 50-year project to photograph the disappearing cultures of Asia, and The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future , a New York Times bestseller. Kevin is currently co-chair of The Long Now Foundation , which is building a clock in a mountain that will tick for 10,000 years. He also has a daily blog; a weekly podcast about cool tools; and a weekly newsletter, Recomendo , a free, one-page list of six very brief recommendations of cool stuff. He is also a Senior Maverick at Wired . He lives in Pacifica, California. Please enjoy! * This episode is brought to you by Pique ! I first learned about Pique through my friends Dr. Peter Attia and Kevin Rose, and now Pique ’s fermented pu’er tea crystals have become my daily go-to. I often kickstart my mornings with their Pu’er Green Tea and Pu’er Black Tea, and I alternate between the two. This rare type of naturally fermented tea is more concentrated in polyphenol antioxidants than any other tea. It supports focus and mental clarity, healthy digestion, metabolism, and a healthy immune system. Their crystals are cold extracted, using only wild-harvested leaves from 250-year-old tea trees. 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Eight Sleep currently ships within the USA, Canada, the UK, select countries in the EU, and Australia. * [05:51] Is Kevin Kelly the most interesting man in the world? [08:37] Kevin’s long bet against the human population. [15:00] Out Of Control. [19:34] Why did it take 11 years to complete The Silver Cord? [24:28] 1,000 True Fans. [29:48] Kevin’s failed campaign to discover all the species of life on Earth. [31:31] Stewart Brand. [36:20] Ressurecting extinct species. [39:38] Why Kevin believes optimists shape the future. [42:48] Active optimism vs. passive optimism. [46:39] What constitutes progress? [48:18] Is regression inevitable if we don’t embrace “degrowth?” [52:38] Kevin’s $20 time machine. [55:27] Will AI take our jobs? [1:07:58] The future of AI is dumbsmarten. [1:10:50] What’s currently underhyped? [1:13:20] Posting an AI picture a day keeps Kevin at play. [1:15:29] How Kevin uses AI chatbots to help write first drafts. [1:21:40] Potential scenarios for where AI will be going soon. [1:24:38] What prompted Kevin to write Excellent Advice for Living? [1:28:46] Examples of Kevin’s simple, tweetable advice. [1:32:02] Don’t aim to be the best. Be the only. [1:35:32] Good uses of time spent with one’s children. [1:38:47] Tips for traveling with children. [1:42:22] Being a tourist in your own town and troubleshooting advice. [1:45:06] What Kevin hopes readers will take away from Excellent Advice for Living. [1:46:37] Sabbaticals. [1:52:17] How Kevin uses YouTube. [1:56:03] Why is Kevin huge in China? [1:59:16] Fully becoming yourself and other parting thoughts. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show , please visit tim.blog/podcast . For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show , please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter ( 5-Bullet Friday ) at tim.blog/friday . For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts . Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books . 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