About this episode
A conversation with Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, and Julian Walker, the hosts of the Conspirituality Podcast website. As they describe it, their podcast is... A weekly study of converging right-wing conspiracy theories and faux-progressive wellness utopianism. At best, the conspirituality movement attacks public health efforts in times of crisis. At worst, it fronts and recruits for the fever-dream of QAnon. As the alt-right and New Age horseshoe toward each other in a blur of disinformation, clear discourse and good intentions get smothered. Charismatic influencers exploit their followers by co-opting conspiracy theories on a spectrum of intensity ranging from vaccines to child trafficking. In the process, spiritual beliefs that have nurtured creativity and meaning are transforming into memes of a quickly-globalizing paranoia. Conspirituality Podcast attempts to bring understanding to this landscape. A journalist, a cult researcher, and a philosophical skeptic discuss the stories, cognitive dissonances, and cultic dynamics tearing through the yoga, wellness, and new spirituality worlds. Mainstream outlets have noticed the problem. We crowd-source, research, analyze, and dream answers to it. The term “conspirituality” first appeared in 2009 as the name of a Vancouver rap group that unironically dropped conspiracy keywords into beats calling for political awakening. In 2011, Charlotte Ward and David Voas used the term academically to analyze the growing overlap between the paranoid conspiracism of right-wingers and the New Age’s yearning for spiritual transformation. Derek Beres is a multi-faceted author, media expert, and movement instructor based in Los Angeles. He is the Head of Content Marketing and Community at Centered, as well as a columnist for Big Think and Psychedelic Spotlight. One-half of EarthRise SoundSystem, he also served as music supervisor for the breakthrough documentary, DMT: The Spirit Molecule. He is a co-host of the Conspirituality podcast. His new book, Hero's Dose: The Case for Psychedelics in Ritual and Therapy, is out now. Matthew Remski is a cult survivor and researcher. His 2019 book, Practice And All Is Coming: Abuse, Cult Dynamics, And Healing In Yoga And Beyond, is the first systematic analysis of pervasive cultism in the modern yoga world. He researches and writes on abuse in spiritual movements here, as well as for publications like GEN by Medium and The Walrus. His current research is pivoting to look at cultic dynamics in conspirituality and eco-justice movements. He lives in Toronto with his partner and their two sons. Julian Walker grew up in Zimbabwe and South Africa and has lived in LA since 1990. He is fascinated with the intersections of yoga/meditation, psychology, science, and culture. He has written extensively on cults and gurus, spiritual bypass and quantum woo in New Age circles, trauma and the body, and neuroscience and somatic psychology informing the practice and teaching of yoga. His writing can be found on Elephant Journal, Medium, and in the 2011 book, 21st Century Yoga: Culture, Politics, and Practice. He teaches yoga and runs teacher-training programs in and around LA. Julian is also a bodyworker and the ecstatic dance DJ/facilitator for his Dance Tribe events. Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Summary and transcript of this interview. Interview recorded December 5, 2020. YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Conspiratuality 00:04:21 - Investigative study into institutional abuse in Ashtanga Yoga 00:08:09 - The Emergence of Conspirituality in the Yoga Community 00:11:49 - Paradigm Shift and Metaphysical Notions 00:15:02 - The Rise of Conspiracy Theories During Times of Crisis 00:18:51 - Envisioning a Different Future 00:22:28 - Influence of the Spiritual Community in the 60s and 70s 00:25:37 - Vulnerability to QAnon in the Wellness Space 00:30:00 - COVID Denialism and Financial Risk 00:33:39 - Critiquing Nootropic Supplements and Bro Science 00:36:52 - The Relationship Between Patterns and Dopamine 00:40:19 - The Value of Things 00:44:06 - The Wonderment in Creation 00:48:01 - Technological Expansion of Spiritual Bypassing 00:51:41 - Dealing with Loved Ones Believing in Conspiracy Theories 00:55:09 - Managing QAnon and Conspiracies in Families 00:58:58 - Collectivist Cultures and the Spread of QAnon 01:02:43 - The Intersection of Employment and Spirituality 01:06:15 - The Appeal of Incompetence and Manipulation 01:09:27 - The Influence of Alternative Media Platforms 01:13:10 - The Blurring of Facts and Truth in the New Age Community 01:16:51 - The Need for Regulation in the Yoga Industry 01:20:44 - The Need for Regulation in the Yoga Industry 01:24:01 - The Influence of Celebrities and Media Figures 01:27:52 - Monetizing Conspiracy Theories and the Addiction of Engagement 01:31:17 - Cultic Dynamics in Yoga and Buddhism Education 01:35:18 - The Importance of Citing Sources in New Age Spirituality 01:38:30 - The Poetry of the Unknown 01:42:29 - Understanding the Roots of Indoctrination and Compassionate Response 01:46:02 - The Power of Actions and Karma 01:49:41 - Continuing the Discussion