672: Gender Worship Wars & the Joy of Being Cultural Outsiders with Patrick Miller

In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, "Joyful Outsiders." He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of "asking Jesus into your heart," and pigeons on a plane. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Segment: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130626611/ Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130628699/ 0:00 - Show Starts 2:55 - Theme Song 3:18 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off your first month 4:25 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to https://www.Blueland.com/HOLYPOST 5:36 - Animal News 13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response 25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War 36:23 - Low Church to High Church 51:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/HOLYPOST 53:06 - Sponsor - World Relief: The Path - Get your FREE prayer guide: Prayers for Such a Time as This. If you want to go beyond prayer, you can also learn more about joining The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! https://www.worldrelief.org/holypost 54:15 - Interview 55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders? 1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders? 1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope 1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living 1:31:00 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Pigeons on a Plane! https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/delta-flight-erupts-chaos-pigeons-fly-main-cabin-rcna209400 Gen Z Gender Worship War: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/gen-z-worship-war-men-women-ccm-liturgy-tradition/ Other Resources: Joyful Outsiders: Six Ways to Live Like Jesus in a Disorienting Culture: https://a.co/d/9ouoDCT Read the Introduction to Skye's new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: holypost.com/book Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/ Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.