About this episode
American Christianity is fixated on celebrity pastors, spectacular worship, and doing big things for God. But most of our lives aren't that extraordinary. That's good news, according to Glenn Packiam. He's been a megachurch worship leader and pastor, but now he finds God in the most ordinary things. He talks with Skye about his new book, "Blessed, Broken, Given." Also this week, Phil and Skye reflect on the recent shootings in El Paso and Dayton. Should the Billy Graham Rule apply to police officers? And a German study involving dropping oranges at train stations reveals surprising things about immigrants and discrimination.