About this episode
Shutdown hardball, neither side budging on what divides them. The White House raising the stakes with blue state spending cuts and federal layoffs now billed as imminent. Plus, new reporting on Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's new plan to strap top officials to lie detectors to crack down on leaks. We'll have the details, now that they've leaked. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices