About this episode
She arrived in the U.S. as an 11-year-old refugee, then rose to become Secretary of State. Her views on immigration, nationalism, and borders, from this 2015 interview, are almost strangely appropriate to the present moment. SOURCE: Madeleine Albright , U.S. Secretary of State under President Bill Clinton and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. RESOURCES: " Madeleine Albright, First Woman to Serve as Secretary of State, Dies at 84 ," by Robert D. McFadden ( The New York Times, 2022). " The Case for Getting Rid of Borders — Completely ," by Alex Tabarrok ( The Atlantic, 2015). EXTRAS: " The True Story of America's Supremely Messed-Up Immigration System ," series by Freakonomics Radio (2024). " Is Migration a Basic Human Right? " by Freakonomics Radio (2015). Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.