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How many times have you gotten to the meeting but your pitch fell flat? You went in guns blazing, thinking the hard part was over and you’d land the deal—but instead you face-planted. It’s not your product or your pricing. It’s your messaging that’s failing you—and blocking you from a sale. A Framework to Tap Into Your Prospect’s Pain So what’s missing? A framework that actually speaks to your prospect’s pain, builds urgency, and moves them toward a ‘yes.’ As The Sales Gravy Podcast guest Mike Malloy points out, the PASTOR messaging method can solve that disconnect. You tap into your customer’s pain points and you close. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkML4D0BPIU The PASTOR Method Created by renowned copywriter Ray Edwards, the word “PASTOR’ is about guiding your prospect through the process with messaging that grabs attention and prompts action. As a salesperson, you lead your potential client toward a solution. True sales relationships aren’t forced—it’s natural and authentic. You’re not stereotypically pushy or desperate. You have the magic answer to a customer’s problem. Think of it like leading a prospect down a sales path where they see the problem clearly, understand the solution, and feel confident saying ‘YES’ to a deal. P - Problem & Pain An eventual ‘Yes’ stems from pain—pain from stalled business, lost revenue, or missed quotas. Until you unearth the problem, there’s no need for you or your solution. Translation: No sale. Your job is to identify the pain point and get your prospect to acknowledge that, yeah, it’s ruining their business, too. Don’t gloss over the pain—lean into it. Show you understand. Your understanding will connect with the customer and start building your relationship—a relationship that leads to closing. A - Amplify the Consequences Don’t be afraid to twist the knife. This isn’t just a little problem. It’s debilitating—costing the customer time and money. It’s a huge pain point. What will the prospect’s life be next quarter, next year, if they don’t solve it this minute? How much worse will it get? Fear of loss is a powerful motivator. Prospects need to feel the urgency to fix the problem now. S - Story, Solution, System This is where you offer the solution—but don’t just drop a pitch. Tell a story. Give your prospect an example that they can hold on to and that helps them connect. Tom’s sales team was floundering. They couldn’t make quota. Then they found our [your service]. Jill’s company needed a new distributor. Her current distributor was often late, goods were damaged and it was hurting her bottom line. Then she learned about [your service]. Make it clear that hiring you isn’t just smart—it’s the game-changer they’ve been looking for. Show them you get it. Lay out a clear, systematic solution that wipes out their pain—once they see you’ve got the answer, the deal’s as good as closed. T - Transformation & Testimony And what does it look like when all that pain goes away? Paint the picture. You highlighted all the real and future pain not hiring you would cause. Now, tell your prospect what life will be like after they embrace your solution. People don’t buy products—they buy results. They need to see exactly how they’ll save time, make money, and come out ahead. Show them the win, and they’ll say yes. This is also where you leverage testimonials to build credibility. Personal accounts from past customers who can bolster your position. When they believe others have succeeded, they’ll trust they can too. They’ll be signing with you before you know it. O - Offer Your offer isn't just about price—it’s about making the value so clear that saying 'no' feels like a mistake. Remove any friction to the deal by emphasizing the ease of transition and fast onboarding. Your offer needs to entice with solid, actionable steps to cutting out their pain points. There’s no room for waffling here. Outline the ROI clearly and make it simple, easy, and obvious to say ‘yes.’ R - Response (Call to Action) Don’t let your offer grow cold; get them to buy. Make a crystal clear call to action—stop wasting time, commit to excellence now. Introduce urgency. Are spots limited? Is there an upside to signing faster? Keep it simple. No hesitation; no confusion. Just a next step to act now. Use PASTOR, Close More Deals At the end of the day, the only answer that counts is 'Yes.’ If your pitch keeps falling flat, it’s not because you’re bad at sales—it’s because your messaging isn’t cutting through. PASTOR gives you the blueprint to close. Stick to it, and you won’t just get meetings—you’ll start closing them. Start winning more on cold calls with our FREE sales training guide: 25 Ways to Ask for the Appointment on Cold Calls