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Midlife isn’t the end — it’s the evolution of Gen X. Hosted by Brent Drever and Rob Espenel, Midlife Circus is where real conversations meet reinvention. Like any good circus, midlife is part chaos, part wonder — a stage for learning new acts. From careers and relationships to purpose and adventure, Rob and Brent explore the unpredictable, messy, and meaningful middle of life with humor, honesty, and a touch of rebellion. Pull up a seat under the tent — and get ready to laugh, reflect, and rediscover what’s possible in Your Next Great Act.
2d ago
In this conversation, Brent shares his experiences and challenges faced after retirement, particularly around identity and purpose. He discusses the awkwardness of answering the question 'What do you do?' and the discomfort that comes with losing a professional identity. The dialogue explores the journey of finding new opportunities, the importance of experimentation, and the need to create a balanced portfolio of skills and activities that bring joy and fulfillment. Both Rob and Brent reflect on their transitions and the significance of taking time to discover their next great act after a long career. Links, resources, books mentioned: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube Topics we are covering in this episode: The question 'What do you do?' can be challenging post-retirement. Finding purpose after retirement is a common struggle. Exploring new opportunities can lead to unexpected paths. It's important to balance activities and not overcommit. Experimentation is key in discovering new passions. Creating a portfolio of skills can provide fulfillment. It's okay to take time to figure out what's next. Lingering in discomfort can lead to personal growth.
Dec 10
In this conversation, Brent and Rob discuss the critical aspects of hiring a financial advisor, emphasizing the importance of trust, understanding fiduciary responsibilities, and aligning values with financial goals. They share personal experiences and insights on navigating the complexities of financial planning, the significance of asking the right questions, and the necessity of building a strong advisor-client relationship. The discussion also highlights the generational shift in financial planning, where individuals are now responsible for their retirement savings and investment decisions, making the role of a financial advisor more crucial than ever. Links, resources, books mentioned: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube BrokerCheck Investment Adviser Public Disclosure Topics we are covering in this episode: Hiring a financial advisor is a significant decision that requires careful consideration. Trust is the most important factor when choosing a financial advisor. Understanding the difference between fiduciaries and salespeople is crucial. Asking the right questions can help you evaluate potential advisors effectively. It's essential to align your financial advisor with your personal values. The timing of hiring a financial advisor can impact your financial future, especially before retirement. Regular communication with your advisor is key to a successful relationship. Newer advisors can be effective if they have a strong support team behind them. Understanding your relationship with money can guide your financial decisions. You should feel comfortable discussing your financial situation with your advisor.
Dec 3
In this conversation, Brent and Rob explore the theme of adventures and personal growth, discussing their experiences with travel and the importance of stepping out of comfort zones. They share stories about climbing Colorado's 14ers, the challenges of planning big adventures like summiting Kilimanjaro, and the insights gained from cultural experiences. The discussion also emphasizes the value of micro-adventures and how small changes in routine can lead to significant personal growth. Links, resources, books mentioned: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube Topics we are covering in this episode: Adventures contribute significantly to personal growth. Planning for big adventures requires careful consideration and preparation. Cultural experiences can provide valuable insights into different lifestyles. Micro-adventures can be easily integrated into daily life. Traveling can change your perspective on abundance and happiness. It's important to embrace the unknown when traveling. Finding joy in simplicity can lead to personal transformation. Small changes in routine can enhance everyday experiences. Adventure is about stepping out of your comfort zone.
Nov 26
In this conversation, Rob and Brent explore the often-overlooked topic of loneliness, particularly as it relates to midlife transitions. They share personal experiences of navigating loneliness after career changes, the importance of vulnerability, and the value of seeking help through therapy. The discussion also delves into the evolution of friendships, distinguishing between 'real friends' and 'deal friends,' and the difference between solitude and loneliness. Ultimately, they emphasize the importance of connection and the proactive steps one can take to foster relationships and combat feelings of isolation. Links, resources, books mentioned: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can’t Stop Talking - Susan Cain ( This post includes affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate, we may earn a small commission if you purchase through these links—at no extra cost to you.) Topics we are covering in this episode: Loneliness can creep in at different points in life, especially during transitions. Navigating loneliness can be challenging, particularly after leaving a career. Seeking help and being vulnerable is crucial in overcoming loneliness. Therapy can serve as a performance coach to help individuals navigate their feelings. It's important to recognize the difference between solitude and loneliness. Building and maintaining friendships requires effort and intention. Not all friendships will transition from work to personal life; some may fade. Embracing solitude can be healthy, but too much can lead to loneliness. Putting yourself out there is essential for building new connections. Change can be tough, but surrounding yourself with supportive people can ease the journey.
Nov 19
In this conversation, Brent and Rob explore the significance of learning new skills, especially in midlife. They discuss childhood hobbies, the importance of having a learning list in midlife, and the challenges of embracing new experiences. Rob shares his journey of learning to bake bread, riding a unicycle, and his ambitious list of 50 things to learn in his fifties. The conversation emphasizes the value of curiosity, the joy of learning, and the importance of maintaining mental stimulation as we age. Links, resources, books mentioned: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube Living with a Seal - Jesse Itzler Living with the Monks - Jesse Itzler ( This post includes affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate, we may earn a small commission if you purchase through these links—at no extra cost to you.) Topics we are covering in this episode: Learning new skills can bring joy and opportunity. Embracing challenges is essential for personal growth. Having a learning list can help fill time in midlife. Curiosity drives lifelong learning and exploration. It's okay to be a novice and embrace the learning process. Humor can help navigate the awkwardness of being a beginner. Setting achievable goals can motivate continued learning. Sharing experiences with others can enhance the learning journey. The journey of learning is as important as the outcome.
Nov 12
In this conversation, Brent and Rob explore the emotional and mathematical aspects of retirement planning. They discuss the importance of understanding one's relationship with money, the two critical numbers that determine financial freedom, and the emotional challenges faced when transitioning from a working life to retirement. The discussion emphasizes the need to evaluate spending habits, predict future expenses, and consider the trade-offs between income and health. Ultimately, the conversation encourages listeners to take control of their financial future while also prioritizing their well-being. Links, resources, books mentioned: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube Topics we are covering in this episode: Stop worrying about money immediately. There's only two numbers between you and retirement freedom. Understanding your relationship with money is crucial. The spend rate is a more important question than income. You can always go back to work if you have to. What would you trade for 10 extra healthy years? All choices have a cost associated with them. You can generate income in other ways after retirement. Living your best life should be a priority. Do the math to find peace of mind.
Nov 5
In this conversation, Rob and Brent discuss Brent's upcoming triathlon and the challenges of training for it. They then transition into a deeper discussion about friendships, particularly the differences between 'deal friends' and 'real friends' as Brent reflects on his experiences after leaving his last company. The conversation highlights the loneliness that can accompany such transitions and offers insights on rekindling connections and the importance of maintaining relationships beyond work. Links, resources, books mentioned: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube From Strength to Strength — Arthur C. Brooks ( This post includes affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate, we may earn a small commission if you purchase through these links—at no extra cost to you.) Topics we are covering in this episode: Training for a triathlon can be both challenging and enjoyable. Active recovery is essential for athletes during training. Friendships often change after leaving a work environment. 'Deal friends' are often transactional, while 'real friends' are supportive without dependency. Loneliness can set in after retirement due to lack of daily interactions. Reaching out to old friends can rekindle valuable relationships. It's important to take inventory of your friendships as you transition in life. People are often more open to reconnecting than you might expect. Making an effort to connect can lead to rewarding relationships. Embrace the transition and be open to new friendships.
Nov 5
In this episode of Midlife Circus, Brent and Rob crack open the Choose Your Own Adventure theme of midlife—where you get to decide what comes next. They explore what it means to rewrite the script, embrace curiosity, and step off autopilot to direct your next great act. From motorcycles and model cars to 3D printing and solo adventures, this conversation blends humor, nostalgia, and introspection to show that midlife isn’t a crisis—it’s a creative rewrite. Rob and Brent share personal stories, lessons learned, and the joy of rediscovering hands-on passions while reimagining purpose beyond the career grind. Whether you’re rebuilding, reinventing, or just wondering what’s next, this episode will remind you that it’s never too late to choose your own adventure. Links and Resources: Visit Episode Website Newsletter Sign Up Follow us: Instagram , LinkedIn , Facebook , YouTube Topics we are covering in this episode: Midlife as an opportunity to rewrite your own script. How curiosity can replace the need for constant productivity. The difference between being scripted and unscripted in your 30s vs. 50s. Why small steps—like fixing an e-bike or learning 3D printing—can spark big change. Reclaiming hands-on creativity and joy from childhood passions. The balance between freedom, purpose, and reinvention. How Gen X is redefining midlife on its own terms. Simple ways to start crafting your next great act today. Midlife as a time to choose growth, not crisis. Becoming the director—and hero—of your own story.