About this episode
Lucy Dacus & Katie Gavin sit down for an unfiltered, intimate conversation that dives deep into songwriting, lust, love, and the complexities of creating vulnerable art in 2025. From honest thoughts on their music, friendship, and identity to their funniest moments, this interview is one you won’t forget. In this exclusive chat, the two artists unpack Lucy's latest album, Forever Is A Feeling, talk about their joint tour, and laugh about their differences — and relate to using lyrics while attempting to understand love. Through their giggles, they remind us all that even when you're “smart,” sometimes you're just dumb at heart. Editor-in-Chief: Anna Zanes Co-producer: Kevin Duffel Sound: Nick Gray