About this episode
In this episode, we explore the history and impact of Shudder to Think and their groundbreaking 1994 album Pony Express Record , a release that pushed the boundaries of what DC post-hardcore could become in the era of alternative music. Formed in 1986, Shudder to Think developed a distinctive sound across early Sammich and Dischord releases before leaning fully into the angular, theatrical, and experimental approach that defined Pony Express Record . Released on Epic Records, the album stood apart from its major-label contemporaries and became one of the most inventive records to emerge from the DC underground. Shudder to Think came out of the same community that produced Fugazi and Jawbox, yet their music challenged the expectations of the scene from the start. The band’s lineup, featuring Craig Wedren, Chris Matthews, Stuart Hill, and Mike Russell, shifted in 1992 when Nathan Larson and Adam Wade joined, setting the stage for a new phase of songwriting and national touring. Their move from Dischord to a major label was rare for a DC band and created a unique moment where the intensity of post-hardcore intersected with the wider alternative rock boom of the 1990s. In this conversation, we are joined by Nabil Ayers, label executive, author of My Life in the Sunshine , drummer, and host of the Identified podcast. We talk about the evolution of Shudder to Think, the creative leap represented by Pony Express Record , the challenges and opportunities of the early 90s music industry, and the album’s lasting influence. Nabil also shares valuable insights from his work in music, writing, and independent publishing, offering a wide-angle view of how this record fits within both DC history and the broader landscape of alternative rock. Go Further: Bandcamp – Shudder to Think Wikipedia – Shudder to Think Nabil Ayers – Website Follow Us: Social media: @dcrockpod Email: dcrockpod@gmail.com Hosts: Philip Basnight – Broke Royals Alex Vidales – Pilot Waves Podcast Artwork by Rebecca Basnight