Is The AI Bubble Popping? | Jack and Max on Data Center Debt, Fragile Markets, and Insurance Companies

This Monetary Matters episode is brought to you by Fiscal.ai. Sign up for a 2-week free trial and get 15% off any paid tier at: http://fiscal.ai/mm As investors’ outlook on AI capital expenditure sours, Jack and Max explore the rising debt issuance to fund artificial intelligence development, and the faltering share prices of companies with exposure to the “AI factor”: the hyperscalers (particularly Oracle), the chip companies, and the neoclouds such as Coreweave and Nebius. Jack then looks at two insurance companies, Kinsale and Palomar, as insurance sector does its part to hold up the S&P 500. Jack and Max also give an update on Chinese fintechs at the end. Recorded on November 21, 2025. Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Max on Twitter: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:28 Debt Fueled CapEx Boom 08:23 "AI CEOs Are Building a God" 11:24 The Real Speculative Bubble 15:51 NeoCloud Risk 17:53 Fiscal AI 19:11 Healthcare and Insurance Strength 21:38 Kinsale Capital Group 27:38 Factors Benefiting Insurance 29:12 Palomar Holdings 33:48 Jobs Data and December Fed Meeting 37:26 Chinese Fintech Bloodbath 40:32 Conclusion