About this episode
In this episode of the AI + a16z podcast, Decagon cofounder/CEO Jesse Zhang and a16z partner Kimberly Tan discuss how LLMs are reshaping customer support, the strong market demand for AI agents, and how AI agents give startups a a new pricing model to help disrupt incumbents. Here's an excerpt of Jesse explaining how conversation-based pricing can win over customers who are used to traditional seat-based pricing: "Our view on this is that, in the past, software is based per seat because it's roughly scaled based on the number of people that can take advantage of the software. "With most AI agents, the value . . . doesn't really scale in terms of the number of people that are maintaining it; it's just the amount of work output. . . . The pricing that you want to provide has to be a model where the more work you do, the more that gets paid. "So for us, there's two obvious ways to do that: you can pay per conversation, or you can pay per resolution. One fun learning for us has been that most people have opted into the per-conversation model . . . It just creates a lot more simplicity and predictability. . . . "It's a little bit tricky for incumbents if they're trying to launch agents because it just cannibalizes their seat-based model. . . . Incumbents have less risk tolerance, naturally, because they have a ton of customers. And if they're iterating quickly and something doesn't go well, that's a big loss for them. Whereas, younger companies can always iterate a lot faster, and the iteration process just inherently leads to better product. . . "We always want to pride ourselves on shipping speed, quality of the product, and just how hardcore our team is in terms of delivering things." Learn more: RIP to RPA: The Rise of Intelligent Automation Big Ideas in Tech for 2025 Follow everyone on X: Jesse Zhang Kimberly Tan Derrick Harris Check out everything a16z is doing with artificial intelligence here , including articles, projects, and more podcasts. Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details please see a16z.com/disclosures. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.