November 15, 1996: Exorcism & Remote Viewing - Father Malachi Martin & Ed Dames

Father Malachi Martin , former Vatican insider and bestselling author, joins Art Bell to discuss his latest book "Windswept House" and the ongoing power struggle within the Catholic Church. Martin predicts that covert warfare against Pope John Paul II will conclude within twelve months, with control of one of the world's most powerful positions at stake. The discussion covers controversial topics including potential papal resignation, ordination of women priests, homosexual marriages, and whether traditional Christians might return to the catacombs. In a dramatic confrontation, Ed Dames challenges Martin's previous assertion that remote viewing is "nitroglycerin for the soul." This creates what Bell describes as potential "nitroglycerin for the radio" as the remote viewing expert debates the Catholic theologian about the spiritual dangers of psychic techniques. Martin draws from his extensive Vatican experience to explain the Church's position on paranormal activities, while Dames defends remote viewing as a legitimate intelligence gathering tool. The episode explores fundamental questions about consciousness, spirituality, and the boundaries between scientific investigation and religious doctrine. This unique confrontation between religious orthodoxy and alternative consciousness research creates compelling radio as two experts defend their opposing worldviews.