June 12, 2001: Bible Code Debate - Mike Heiser & Grant Jeffrey #124; Echelon - David Ruppe

Mike Heiser and Grant Jeffrey debate the validity of Bible codes and whether hidden messages exist in scripture. Heiser presents the skeptical scholarly position challenging Bible code methodology and statistical claims. Jeffrey defends Bible code research and argues that mathematical patterns demonstrate divine authorship. The conversation examines specific Bible code predictions and whether they represent genuine foreknowledge or data mining artifacts. David Ruppe discusses the Echelon surveillance system and global electronic eavesdropping programs. The discussion explores technical aspects of Bible code research and competing interpretations of the same data. Heiser addresses theological problems with the concept that God would hide important information in codes rather than clear text. Jeffrey presents examples he considers most compelling evidence for Bible code authenticity. Ruppe explains how Echelon intercepts communications worldwide and the privacy implications of this surveillance network. The broadcast examines both ancient mysteries encoded in scripture and modern surveillance technologies monitoring global communications.