December 10, 1995: Ingo Swann - Linda Moulton Howe #124; NASA Scientist - Dr. Brian O'Leary

Linda Moulton Howe interviews Ingo Swann , the pioneering remote viewer whose psychic observations of Jupiter preceded spacecraft confirmation by six years. Swann discusses his famous remote viewing session that accurately described Jupiter's ring system and electromagnetic properties before Voyager spacecraft confirmed these discoveries. He explains how properly conducted remote viewing achieves 65% accuracy rates, far exceeding the 15% effectiveness recently claimed by CIA officials attempting to discredit the program. The conversation covers Swann's role in developing remote viewing from informal psychic research into sophisticated intelligence methodology used by multiple government agencies. Dr. Brian O'Leary , former NASA scientist and astronaut, calls in from Maui to discuss space exploration, alternative energy research, and his transition from conventional to frontier science research. Swann describes "eight-martini events" where remote viewing sessions produced such accurate intelligence that handlers needed alcohol to process the implications for conventional reality. The discussion explores the ongoing controversy over CIA dismissal of remote viewing effectiveness and the political motivations behind attempts to suppress successful psychic intelligence programs. This episode demonstrates how legitimate scientific investigation of psychic phenomena produced valuable intelligence capabilities that government agencies now seek to minimize for strategic reasons rather than accuracy concerns.