#16 Austin's Leadership Yoda Wayland Lum: Turning Corporate Ladders into Leadership Jungle Gyms

What does the movie "Inside Out" teach us about leadership? My conversation with Wayland Lum from Copperbox Leadership Advisory , who brought up "fear is the precursor to courage," reminded me of Joy and Sadness in "Inside Out." The movie is all about human emotions. And there's this interesting dynamic between Joy and Sadness in the movie. The big lesson is that you can't really appreciate joy if you've never experienced sadness. I see a similar principle in what you were saying about fear and courage. They are not as separate as we might think. They are two sides of the same coin. In this episode, you'll find out why fear isn't your enemy, but rather your courage's hype man. Wayland also shared his 8 principles of modern leadership . His moves from California to Mexico to Chicago and London. From Nvidia to Chicago Booth to Korn Ferry, now building his own leadership advisory practice in Austin, Texas. Lastly, his views on the AI coaching. Episode Breakdown: 00:14—Welcome and Introductions: Meet Your Human Host (While Human Intelligence is still Valued) 02:54—The Great Escape: Why Wayland decided to ditch the cushy corporate life and bet on himself. Spoiler: It wasn't for the free snacks 11:33—"We Develop Modern Leaders to Face the Biggest Business Challenges": How Wayland Defines Modern in the Context of Leadership? 15:33—Wayland's Eight Principles of Modern Leadership: Get Grounded in Core Purpose Pick up the Torch of Leadership Understand the Origins of Humanity Embrace Life's Stages and Seasons See in Systems Nature as Majestic Teacher Shackles of Time Forged by Humans Technologies as Tools 24:48—Wayland on AI coaching: "Coaching involves human connection, empathy, and understanding deeply personal experiences. We must ask ourselves, is an interaction with AI what we want, or do we seek genuine human connection and support?" Connect with Us: Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Wayland Lum ______________________ Chief Change Officer: Make Change Ambitiously. Experiential Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives Global Top 3% Podcast on Listen Notes World's #1 Career Podcast on Apple Top 1: US, CA, MX, IE, HU, AT, CH, FI 1.8 Million+ Downloads 50+ Countries --Chief Change Officer-- Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself. Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts. EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers. >>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<