About this episode
Wayland Lum has built a leadership career that spans tech giants, global consulting, and top business schools—but his boldest move was walking away from all of it to build something from scratch. Now the founder of Copperbox, he coaches modern leaders through a philosophy that fuses deep psychology, personal courage, and timeless wisdom. In this episode, he shares the moment he chose purpose over prestige, the emotional realities behind true leadership, and why fear and courage are two sides of the same decision. For Gen Xers done with title-chasing and hungry for meaning, this is the episode to come back to—again and again. >>From Booth to Bold Moves “Would I keep relying on the building, the brand—or bet on myself?” Wayland shares the moment he realized he had to stop playing it safe and walk the walk. The leap from corporate prestige to personal practice was years in the making—and worth it. >>Coaching Is Not a Shortcut—It’s a Mirror “You push people to become who they could be—not who they think they are.” Wayland reflects on being coached early in his career, and how that shaped his fierce belief in holding leaders to their highest potential. >>Leadership Isn’t Status—It’s a Torch “Real leadership burns. If you’re not sacrificing, you’re not leading.” Through Copperbox, Wayland trains modern leaders using eight core principles—drawn from nature, history, and human psychology. His goal: transformation, not just transaction. >>Courage Only Comes After Fear “You don’t get to feel brave without first feeling scared.” He breaks down how the most meaningful leadership moments require discomfort—and how emotions like courage and fear, joy and grief, are always paired. >>Wisdom Over Hype “Leadership today is louder—but not always deeper.” Wayland’s work is about rewiring leaders to navigate not just business chaos, but emotional complexity. Because modern leadership demands more than charisma—it demands character. _________________________ Connect with us: Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Wayland Lum --Chief Change Officer-- Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself. Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep, Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts. EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist. 20 Million+ All-Time Downloads. 80+ Countries Reached Daily. Global Top 1% Podcast. Top 5 US Business. Top 1 US Careers. >>>180,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<