#138 Career Moves That Pay: John Gates on Unlocking Your True Salary Potential

John Gates knows how to help you make the most of your compensation package, especially during career transitions. When preparing for this interview, I flipped through his book, ACT YOUR WAGE , and it took me back to my business school days studying negotiation. The key takeaway? Negotiations are about focusing on multiple elements, not just one number. But here’s the twist—unlike business negotiations, salary discussions are filled with emotions, fear, and anxiety. How can you move past those emotions, shift your mindset, and maximize your return during a career move? John shares the answers. Key Highlights of Our Interview: Coast-to-Coast Hustle: The Ups and Downs of Chasing the Corporate Dream “During that process of chasing the Fortune 500 career and climbing that ladder, I moved across the country many times. I was laid off several times. I know how terrifying it is to be laid off or separated from a company that once loved you, but now no longer needs you." From Prosecutor to Defense Attorney: Why Switching Sides Matters “I do view myself as a former prosecutor who became a defense attorney. I think the best defense attorneys are people who used to be prosecutors because they understand the tactics and strategy and what the other prosecutor is trying to achieve.” The Silver Bullet Effect: Practical Steps for Negotiation Success “I start teaching them how to have safe conversations about pay almost immediately. So, very experimentally, I will teach them and drill them and rehearse with them first.” Salary Negotiation 101: Gladiators Need Not Apply! “Know your worth and demand your worth. People say, figure out what you’re worth, insist upon that… When I hear that, what I see is high risk. It’s confrontational. It makes it seem like you’re going to be this gladiator… This sort of ultimatum strategy of ‘take it or leave it’ is problematic.” 6 Rules For Successful Salary Negotiation: 1. Do not put “open” or “negotiable” in the salary requirement field — Always put a number. 2. Reframe your salary number into a range during the phone screen — It’s important to shift into a range rather than sticking to a fixed number. 3. Shift the conversation from salary to total compensation — This includes understanding incentives and bonuses beyond the base salary. 4. Use AI tools like ChatGPT to prepare for interviews — This helps generate potential questions and practice responses. 5. Use interview time to sell yourself instead of satisfying curiosity — Focus on addressing their pain points and demonstrating your value. 6. Avoid moving the goalposts during negotiation — Present everything you want in one batch rather than one at a time to prevent putting your offer at risk. Connect with us: Host: Vince Chan | Guest: John Gates ______________________ -- Chief Change Officer -- Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself. Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs, Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts. 6 Million+ All-Time Downloads. Reaching 80+ Countries Daily. Global Top 3% Podcast. Top 10 US Business. Top 1 US Careers. >>> 100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<