About this episode
At the Democratic convention in Chicago, many of the speakers — from Barack and Michelle Obama to Tim Walz — have warned Democrats not to get complacent about a Kamala Harris victory. Yet something subtle is also going on here. Democrats are keeping complacency at bay — without letting Donald Trump balloon into a psychologically frightening figure in their minds. Democrats are going into this election with the correct level of guarded confidence. We talked to Brian Beutler, who has a good piece on all this coming out Friday on his Substack , about the careful balance Democrats are striking — and why it may be the key to shrinking Trump into a diminished figure. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices