About this episode
Gov. Gavin Newsom of California, who has positioned himself as a potential Democratic presidential candidate in 2028, discusses the future of the Democratic Party, how he uses social media to hold up a mirror to Mr. Trump and why he thinks business leaders are bending the knee to the president. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.