Trump spirals as shutdown calls for leadership skills he lacks, a problem endemic to his team

Jen Psaki points out Attorney General Pam Bondi's strenuous efforts to avoid having to answer for anything happening within the department she leads, which is a problem throughout the Trump administration and is particularly acute in Trump himself, who not only famously refuses to take responsibility for anything but seems to have no real idea what is going on with the things he's supposed to be in charge of. Jacob Soboroff, MSNBC senior national correspondent, reports from the Chicago suburbs about how Donald Trump's anti-immigrant enforcers are targeting even the most benign members of the community, sparking outrage and defiance. Virginia Giuffre once described Ghislaine Maxwell as worse than Jeffrey Epstein and the puppetmaster who pulled Epstein's strings. Her brother and sister-in-law talk with Jen Psaki about Donald Trump's weird hedging on whether he could pardon Maxwell. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.