Nathan on The 80,000 Hours Podcast: AI Scouting, OpenAI's Safety Record, and Redteaming Frontier Models

In today's conversation, Nathan joins Rob Wiblin, host of The 80,000 Hours Podcast to discuss why we need more AI scouts, OpenAI's safety record, and redteaming frontier models. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com . SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @robertwiblin (Robert) @CogRev_Podcast LINKS: 80,000 Hours Episode Show Notes: https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/nathan-labenz-openai-red-team-safety/ TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:05:12) - Rob’s intro (00:10:50) - Interview begins (00:15:50) - Intro toThe Cognitive Revolution excerpt (00:19:13) - Excerpt from The Cognitive Revolution: Nathan’s narrative (01:22:10) - Why it’s hard to imagine a much better game board (01:28:14) - What OpenAI has been doing right (01:40:12) - Arms racing and China (01:46:10) - OpenAI’s single-minded focus on AGI (01:56:55) - Transparency about capabilities (02:05:56) - Benefits of releasing models (02:17:14) - Was it ok to release GPT-4? (02:35:31) - Why no statement from the OpenAI board (02:55:59) - Ezra Klein on the OpenAI story (03:16:59) - The upside of AI merits taking some risk (03:31:44) - Meta and open source (03:42:26) - Nathan’s journey into the AI world (03:48:18) - Rob’s outro