The Protein Debate: Dr. Layman Reacts to Dr. Gardner's claims on The Huberman Lab

In a powerful episode of the Dr. Gabrielle Lyon show, I sit down with my mentor, Dr. Donald Layman, to directly address some of the most common protein myths. We react to a controversial clip from the Huberman Lab podcast with Dr. Christopher Gardner, offering a different perspective on the conversation about protein intake, metabolic science, and dietary guidelines. Dr. Layman, a pioneer in protein research, breaks down the outdated science behind the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), the flaws of nitrogen balance studies, and why a protein-conscious approach is crucial for your long-term health, not just for building muscle. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone who wants to cut through the confusion and understand what the science really says about protein, from its role in metabolism to why a grain-based diet may be leaving you deficient. Want ad-free episodes, exclusive takeaways, and direct access to community Q&As? Subscribe to Forever Strong Insider and join me for deeper conversations, behind-the-scenes access, and more, every single week. Sign up here: https://foreverstrong.supercast.com Chapters 0:00 - Intro: The Protein Debate 0:32 - Reacting to the Huberman Lab clip 1:31 - The flawed science of nitrogen balance studies 4:15 - The RDA's misleading "average requirement" 7:47 - The gross extrapolation of "deficiency" 10:41 - The original protein study subjects 12:15 - Why the RDA is much higher than the "minimum" 13:17 - Debunking the average American's protein intake 15:00 - Is there a storage depot for excess protein? 17:34 - The myth of protein being "wasted" 19:30 - Why some say protein metabolism is misunderstood 22:42 - Defining the RDA and EER 25:06 - Why Dr. Gardner's argument is flawed 27:17 - Why the nitrogen balance technique is wrong 32:37 - How to rectify the protein conversation 34:04 - Why we need to compare protein to carbs 41:09 - Comparing metabolic consequences of overeating carbs vs. protein 48:00 - Why a protein-conscious approach is critical 50:41 - Debunking the "incomplete" plant protein myth 55:28 - Do plant proteins have enough leucine? 1:02:45 - The myth of complimentary proteins 1:05:22 - The minimum protein for metabolic benefits 1:07:38 - The upper limit of protein 1:09:10 - The problem with "amino acid oxidation" 1:10:46 - The problem with amino acid supplements 1:13:15 - How do you diagnose protein deficiency? 1:18:13 - Debunking the "Americans eat the most meat" myth PaleoValley - Get 15% off automatically at https://paleovalley.com/DRLYON Timeline - Get 20% off your order at https://timeline.com/LYON LMNT - Free sample pack with any purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/DRLYON Our Place - Use Code DRLYON for 10% off sitewide at https://fromourplace.com/DRLYON Disclaimer: The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Podcast and YouTube are for general information purposes only and do not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast, YouTube, or materials linked from this podcast or YouTube is at the user's own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professional for any such conditions.