About this episode
Welcome to episode four of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living , a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh ’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this episode, presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino are joined by special guest Zen Buddhist nun Sister True Dedication (Sister Hien Nghiem). Together, they address contemporary environmental crises and Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s ethical framework of living, to help us reach a better future – as presented in his new book, Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet . The three further discuss Buddhist insights into the many existential crises faced by the global community; practical ways people can become empowered; not being overwhelmed by the suffering in the world, and how to work with our emotions to take positive action. Jo recollects interviewing Christiana Figueres , the architect of the Paris Climate Agreement, including on how the practice of mindfulness was instrumental in her achievements, and the importance of deep listening in global talks. Brother Phap Huu explains the insight of interbeing; the practice of gratitude; and shares about walking the (sustainability) talk in Plum Village; the ‘no car days’, shifting to veganism during a 800-people retreat, and starting a happy farm to become more self-sufficient and in touch with the Earth as a community of practitioners. Sister True Dedication talks about editing Thich Nhat Hanh’s new book, Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet ; the hardest part of working on a book; Thay’s involvement in the environmental movement since the early 1970s, as a pioneer of deep ecology; the importance of joy and vitality for facing hard times; falling in love with the Earth; accessing the insight of interbeing in our daily lives, and having fulfilled present moments; finding peace and equanimity in a suffering world; practicing deep truth; taking care of our despair. Finally, the sister ends the episode with a guided meditation. Co-produced by the Plum Village App : https://plumvillage.app/ And Global Optimism : https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation : https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resources Zen and the Art of Saving the Planet https://www.parallax.org/product/zen-and-the-art-of-saving-the-planet/ Deep ecology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_ecology Spiritual ecology https://plumvillage.org/book/spiritual-ecology-the-cry-of-the-earth/ Sister Chan Khong https://plumvillage.org/about/sister-chan-khong/ The World We Have: A Buddhist Approach to Peace and Ecology https://www.parallax.org/product/the-world-we-have-a-buddhist-approach-to-peace-and-ecology/ Other key books by Thich Nhat Hanh https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/key-books/ Alfred Hassler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hassler The Diamond Sutra https://plumvillage.org/sutra/the-diamond-that-cuts-through-illusion/ Christiana Figueres http://christianafigueres.com/#/ Jo Confino interviews Christina Figueres https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/climate-change-unfccc-christiana-figueres Paris Climate Agreement https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement Blue Cliff Monastery https://www.bluecliffmonastery.org/ Happy Farm https://plumvillage.org/community/happy-farm/ A koan https://plumvillage.org/bg/about/thich-nhat-hanh/letters/bat-nha-a-koan/ Quotes “To be able to see heaven on earth is part of our mindfulness practice.” “What we learn in this kind of spiritual practice is that it’s a very embodied, complete, fully human experience of what it means to be alive and to be on this planet.” “If we allow ourselves to fall in love with the Earth, we will know what to do and what not to do to help. When there’s love, the possibilities open up right away. The priorities are clear; we would sacrifice anything for the one we love.” “This [planet] is the source of all life, our shared home, a miracle in the middle of a very spartan cosmos. And we want to do everything to ensure that the Earth can have a healthy and beautiful future, and that humans can have a part in that.” “Through the eons of history, everything comes into manifestation and everything passes. And that’s true of civilizations; civilizations rise and civilizations fall.” “The environment is not outside of you; you are the environment. So interbeing, this insight, lets you see that the way we live, the way we are, is already a contribution.” “It’s important to do one thing well, not to take on the whole weight of saving the planet on your own.” “I have learned to sit well and walk well.” “As children of the Earth, activists for the Earth, and as members of humanity, while doing what we can to save the Earth it is really important to not lose the present moment, because the present moment is life.” “If we lose the present moment, we lose everything. The future is only made of the present moment.” “The beauties of Mother Nature can nourish us and give us the strength we need to keep going, to find balance, and to sustain ourselves.” “If we know we have done our part, made our contribution, and done our best, that is how we can have peace.” “Thay once asked the question, ‘What’s the worst thing that can happen?’ And he said, ‘Your despair is the worst thing that can happen.’ We have to be vigilant against despair. We have to take care of our despair and metabolize it into the kind of action that can give cause for hope.” “We want to transmit an energy of hope, of possibility, of living fully, and of fearlessness. These are the qualities that future generations will need. And it’s up to us to develop them now.” “We look for our own happiness. We look for our own success. We look for our own pleasure. And therefore, we act in a way that only relates to our wellbeing; we don’t see how our action has an effect. But with the insight of interbeing, when you have awareness, when you have mindfulness, you start to see how what you consume has an impact on the earth.” “The first thing to do with a meditative practice, a mindfulness practice – any kind of contemplative practice where we’re trying to see how we can help our beloved planet – is to come back to our body, a body that has come from the Earth, and to really touch what it means to belong to this beautiful realm.” “One action contains thousands of actions within it.” “The planet doesn’t need to be saved once. It doesn’t even need to be saved only in the next 10 years. It needs to be saved by countless generations for hundreds and thousands of years to come. So we need to discover truly sustainable ways of being with the Earth, and being with our human nature. Ways that don’t burn ourselves out, and don’t burn the Earth out, so that we can really find peace and simplicity in what we are doing, with a massive resonance across space and time.” “ This meditation is about facing something and then being with that fear, being with that grief, listening to it in our hearts, in our bodies. Not repressing it, not pretending it’s not there, but allowing it to be present, embracing it with the energy of mindfulness and compassion in order to metabolize it into not only a quality of peace, but a quality of action that can then follow.” “It can seem paradoxical to accept the likelihood of a very bad end to our civilization in order to have the energy to take actions that will change that destination. It’s a strange reverse engineering, but it’s very powerful as an exercise and it comes from an original Buddhist meditation on contemplating our own impermanence.” “Our next task is to see how we can make the book a force for change in the world, not simply something that sits on the bookshelf.” “Whatever we can do about the future is rooted in the present moment.”