About this episode
If he wins a second term, perhaps we’ll finally dispense with the myth that “this is not who we are.” The words of The Atlantic's Mark Leibovich in the January/February issue - listen to his conversation with Michael about the piece "Trump Voters Are America Too." Original air date 13 December 2023. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.