About this episode
There was no raucous audience cheering and jeering last night in Atlanta, but the first presidential debate between President Joe Biden and former president Donald Trump was a painful affair. Even the most steadfast Biden partisans were devastated, panicked, and dazed, many of them waking up this morning saying the quiet part out loud: we can’t possibly run this candidate in November. Here to break it down this morning are Mary Katharine Ham and Ben Smith . Mary Katharine is a Fox News analyst and the co-host of the podcast Getting Hammered . Ben Smith is the co-founder and editor in chief of Semafor , a former media columnist for The New York Times , and the host of the new podcast Mixed Signals . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices