About this episode
While we take a season break, we’re bringing back this unforgettable conversation with Devorie Kreiman, a mother, educator, and woman of deep faith who has lived through unimaginable loss. In this episode, Devorie shares the raw journey of losing multiple childre, and the lifelong work of finding G-d in the depths of grief. With honesty, courage, and spiritual clarity, she teaches us how to move from “life is impossible” to “I am possible,” holding pain and faith in the same breath. Find out more about Devorie Kreiman and purchase her book, "Even If I'm Not" at www.devoriekreiman.com This episode originally aired June 2022. Season 6 returns on Sunday, Sep. 7. * * * * * * * To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at info@humanandholy.com To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor. Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨ Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. * * * * * * * TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – Introduction: Season break 00:53 – Meet Devorie Kreiman and her story of loss and faith 02:15 – Losing her first child: the diagnosis and heartbreak 03:30 – A pattern of illness: discovering a genetic condition 04:40 – The sudden, tragic death of her son Yossi 06:15 – Teaching HaYom Yom the day Yossi died 07:30 – The mitzvah of lighting Shabbos candles through grief 08:55 – Beginning the spiritual journey of doing what feels impossible 10:00 – The early years: grieving four sick children 11:40 – The pain of stopping to have more children 13:15 – What her sick children taught her about unconditional love 14:30 – Navigating deep jealousy, pain, and spiritual honesty 16:00 – How her son's passing reshaped her identity and reality 17:50 – The quiet, paralyzing grief after Yossi’s death 18:40 – “Even If I’m Not” – the story behind the title of her book 20:30 – Frozen with pain: knowing truth but struggling to live it 21:30 – The role of EMDR, EFT, and therapy in healing 22:30 – A powerful memory from Simchas Torah: “I’m possible” 25:00 – The final day of shiva and a miraculous moment of hope 26:45 – Tapping into the soul’s strength: “We are possible” 28:00 – The deeper awareness of a soul’s journey and Hashem’s plan 29:00 – Spiritual growth vs. prolonged grief – finding the balance 30:00 – Becoming a grandmother to Yossi’s namesake 31:40 – Navigating bittersweet joy through birth and loss 33:00 – Real-time self-talk: making space for grief and joy 34:30 – Reclaiming rituals like Shabbos candles with new meaning 36:15 – The lifelong challenge of answering “How many children do you have?” 37:20 – Deepened joy and gratitude that grows through loss 38:30 – Appreciation, laughter, and high-quality living after grief 39:40 – Final advice: how to bring Chassidus into daily struggle 41:00 – “We need light in the tunnel, not just at the end” 42:00 – Closing thoughts: a life of small lights, faith, and awareness 43:10 – Outro: Human & Holy Season 6 returns September 7