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Ark Media is looking to add a Production Manager to the team: https://tinyurl.com/ark-prod-mgr Subscribe to INSIDE Call me Back: inside.arkmedia.org Gift a subscription of INSIDE Call me Back: inside.arkmedia.org/gifts Watch Call me Back on YouTube: youtube.com/@CallMeBackPodcast Check out Ark Media’s other podcasts: For Heaven's Sake: lnk.to/rfGlrA ‘What’s Your Number?’: lnk.to/rbGlvM For sponsorship inquiries, please contact: callmeback@arkmedia.org To contact us, sign up for updates, and access transcripts, visit: arkmedia.org/ Ark Media on Instagram: instagram.com/arkmediaorg Dan on X: x.com/dansenor Dan on Instagram: instagram.com/dansenor To order Dan Senor & Saul Singer’s book, The Genius of Israel : tinyurl.com/bdeyjsdn Today’s Episode: Late last week, the Israeli security cabinet approved a proposal by Prime Minister Netanyahu to conquer Gaza City, where roughly half the Gazan population resides, and which has been largely untouched by the IDF thus far. This decision has prompted widespread international backlash, which was already mounting from concerns over a possible food crisis in Gaza. It also comes as more countries move to recognize a Palestinian state, forcing us to grapple with the high price Israel is paying on the global stage for the ongoing Gaza war. With this in mind, on today’s episode, Dan speaks with Dr. Micah Goodman about whether there’s a difference between winning the war in Gaza and winning the wider, regional war. Is it possible that Israel will need to modify its definition of victory in Gaza in order to emerge victorious in the larger re-shaping of the geopolitics of the Middle East? Micah Goodman co-hosts, along with Efrat Shapira Rosenberg, the popular Israeli podcast Mifleget Hamachshavot produced by Beit Avi Chai. 00:00 Introduction 05:17 The outcome of war with Iran 08:46 Public opinion on Iran war 13:22 Saudi normalization will split the Israeli right 18:02 The price of normalization 23:10 Who can lead normalization? 24:50 The next Israeli elections 26:53 How does Israel end the war in Gaza? 30:20 Losing the battle to win the war 31:34 Returning the hostages 32:25 Victory in the future versus victory now 34:52 Hamas anticipating Israel’s strategy CREDITS: ILAN BENATAR - Producer & Editor ADAAM JAMES LEVIN-AREDDY - Executive Producer MARTIN HUERGO - Sound Editor MARIANGELES BURGOS - Additional Editing MAYA RACKOFF - Operations Director GABE SILVERSTEIN - Research YUVAL SEMO - Music Composer