About this episode
Paris Marx is joined by Yangyang Cheng to discuss the growing divide between the United States and China, and how nationalistic narratives distract us from a better understanding of tech in both countries. Yangyang Cheng is a particle physicist and research scholar at Yale Law School. She’s written for the New York Times , The Guardian , The Nation , WIRED , and many others. You can follow Yangyang on Twitter at @yangyang_cheng . Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast ( @techwontsaveus ) and host Paris Marx ( @parismarx ) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon . The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network . Also mentioned in this episode: Yangyang wrote about the myth of the TikTok spy and the US fixation on Chinese espionage for Wired . She mentioned the coming expiry of a science and technology agreement between the US and China. It’s been temporarily extended . Paris recently wrote about the benefits the US receives from the global footprint of its tech companies, and why that makes China look like a threat. Support the show